One mug had an entire close season and season to assemble a team

the other was left with a half squad of loan rejects and failures and given the end of the season to try and turn things around with the only possible players he could bring in being rejects from other clubs. Major difference. Gunn's options were so limited. Roeder's weren't. Don't kid yourself just because you liked Roeder, he did a shambolic job the season we went down. Everyone knows it.

Posted By: Charles21 on January 13th 2010 at 12:37:37

Message Thread

who relegated norwich city last season iyo? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:45:03
- Fotheringham (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 12:59:01
  - Gunn fell out with about 5 players around that time. Grudge merchant (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:00:10
    - No one is denying Gunn was a shit manager. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 13:15:42
    - name them (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 13:10:13
- Roeder (NCFC) - 1morepost4jame_sward, Jan 13, 12:56:26
- the players and other teams (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:02:08
  - you blame other teams for being better than us? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:03:44
    - no, the question was who relegated norwich city? (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:07:14
      - yes as in blame (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:14:47
        
        Roeder obviously (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:17:33
        
        Gunns last league game line up (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:24:42
        
        one team had played an extra game than the team in 23rd place (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:42:06
        
        so to finish above all those below us (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:48:42
        
        so what? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:34:31
        
        ahem "Nobody else brought in those utter mugs to play football." (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:35:35
        
        One mug had an entire close season and season to assemble a team (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:37:37
        
        The Norwich Board effect (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:42:56
        
        The support thing is bull though, isn't it. Look at the budget each manager has had (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:46:02
        
        "but when they're the only signings possible" (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:45:44
        
        what's that got to do with what I've just said? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:45:17
        
        People buy it because it's true (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:44:38
        
        But come on - last season's loan situation was unlike anything before or since ! (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:44:13
        
        we weren't in the bottom 3 when roeder was sacked (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:39:12
        
        A bit embarrassing on soccer am when Akinbiyi was guest. Helen Chamberlain (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:44:30
        
        could you name some championship clubs that don't go through the managers (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:47:11
        
        Akinbiyi ? (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:46:53
        
        Most of Akinbye's Norwich career was under Chase anyway. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:48:49
        
        Yep. New board appointed during the 96-97 season, when Akinbiyi left. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jan 13, 12:51:38
        
        the term epic fail was made for times like this then (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:52:58
        
        You mean like comparing the whole of our boards tenure with Paul Lambert? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:58:00
        
        you said "constantly" making the club unstable to work for (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:01:26
        
        How can Lambert know if his job is stable when he's only been here 5 months (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:03:18
        
        You're spot on with that one. No way of him telling if the club is stable (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 13:05:00
        
        no manager job is stable (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:04:36
        
        no failing employee shouldn expect a stable job (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:06:13
        
        you're the only person saying that (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:00:09
        
        No you said it (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:01:39
        
        you were doing so well at posting in a grown up manner (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:03:13
        
        But you did and you are comparing the boards reign with Paul Lambert (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:05:43
        
        constant = the entire time (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:07:28
        
        You're making the point of worthy (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:09:45
        
        "your usual outnumbering democracy = correct opinion, on here" (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:14:04
        
        what does charles extending a point have to do with anything? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:12:58
        
        Because he tried to enhance something you said with something you didn't say (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:14:16
        
        Take away Worthington (which I added ages ago) then (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:18:56
        
        why did i have to say it? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:15:08
        
        Because he was replying to me about something you said (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:17:24
        
        so he's not allowed to add his own opinion (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:19:09
        
        is he on the wind up or just stupid? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:08:28
        
        Or are you 2 just going round threads together sticking up for each other? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:10:33
        
        well i disagreed with him about helveg (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:11:40
        
        So you're now saying you don't go round in 2's sticking up for each other? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:13:41
        
        no i'm saying we don't just go around sticking up for each other (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:17:33
        
        You clearly do. I'll point it again next time (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:18:35
        
        I disagree with you on almost everything (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:21:41
        
        In fact, I'm gonna bookmark this and run with it, cos they'll be plenty of mileage in it (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:27:18
        
        great, I'm looking forward to it (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:28:44
        
        Took all of 90 seconds. lol (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:39:29
        
        So am I (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:30:48
        
        Yes he does, rofl. wwwwwwwwwwwwweeeediculous (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:22:44
        
        so why did i disagree with him about helveg then? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:21:12
        
        So you're now comparing any situation you've ever had with Helveg now (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:21:55
        
        no i'm comparing you saying we always agree (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:22:53
        
        Didn't I say you go round in 2 sticking up for each other? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:28:09
        
        we agreed on something so what? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:32:24
        
        Lunacy^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:41:03
        
        ^^ infuriating (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:22:21
        
        how on earth can i have been (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:07:11
        
        You said they have made mistakes BUT (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:11:36
        
        because imo the manager can make the job stable for themself (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:14:24
        
        most of his career was shit (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:50:33
        
        Absolutely. Transfer fees were laughable ! (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:51:24
        
        yes norwich have employed some very bad managers (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:45:38
        
        Yes, and bad boards need to resign (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:58:47
        
        yes i don't have a problem with blaming the board (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:04:50
        
        The majority of them did. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 13:01:43
        
        so if roeder had stayed do you think we'd have stayed up? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:26:21
        
        Possibly, he did so the season before when we had 8 points in November (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:27:12
        
        he corrected someone else's mess that season tho (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:29:21
        
        Grant didn't get us relegated (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:33:13
        
        Well, he help give us the possibility, which Roeder built upon and Gunn finished (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:33:58
        
        Why didn't he carry on that form into his second season? (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:28:21
- Peter Thorne and Glenn Roeder (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:00:33
- the Board, for appointing the wrong people and allowing them to buy the wrong players (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 11:51:46
  - since when does a board get involved in players signings (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:03:31
    - well ours have always publicly stated that they don't (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:11:18
    - They sanctioned a suicidal loan policy (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:09:57
      - Apparently Dommy was in favour of Roeder's loan policy (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:17:01
        
        "apparently" (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:20:56
        
        Yes I said apparently. Well done for picking up on that one. (n/m) (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:45:36
        
        thanks (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:48:35
        
        selwyn (n/m) (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:56:35
      - the manager can spend the money given how he likes (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:16:28
      - That would have been suicidal (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:15:14
        
        the loan policy when we signed hucks crouch and the other one (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:17:12
        
        The other two (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:20:23
  - agreed (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 11:57:47
    - That and being so stubborn until the manchester utd match, and even then he had his (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:00:15
      - Yeah, Safri and Helveg on the bench most of that season while those on the pitch (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:13:57
        
        Worthy had generally earned the right to do what he wanted imo. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:16:30
        
        Yeah I think I was more referring to him being so stubborn about it. ok if you make (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:20:20
        
        Helveg was shite (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:15:28
        
        oh my! lollage to the max (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:25:46
        
        what's funny? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:35:02
        
        I get to differ (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:18:42
        
        my memory of him was (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:20:02
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:28:32
        
        He was clearly 2 levels of skill above anybody else in yellow, and sometimes he (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:33:26
        
        were you back in England that season? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:35:30
        
        No, but being in the Prem every game was on live here. (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:37:16
        
        fair enough (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:38:33
        
        no he wasn't (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:18:37
      - yep (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:01:42
        
        or it could be that he chose to lay down a very public gauntlet to those players (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:04:02
        
        He did so when we were all but down though. Hardly a gauntlet (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:06:03
        
        They only play 38 games a season. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:09:05
        
        32 then. Too used to being in the champs (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:09:45
        
        You can look at it (and argue about it) either way. All history now. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:08:39
  - Agreed. Gunn, Grant and Roeder get their fair share of blame but ultimately (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 11:55:53
    - That's spot on. Smith & Jones deserve massive respect for appointing the new Board (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:00:36
      - who was one of their fiercest critics? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:01:54
        
        Bowkett. Do keep up. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:02:28
        
        what did he say? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:05:35
        
        he wrote an open letter to the club during the week after we lost to Charlton (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:09:26
        
        He wrote an open letter to the EDP slating the whole running of the club (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:07:54
        
        i'll choose to believe you both then (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:19:35
        
        wasn't he also very vocal in previous AGM's etc (n/m) (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:10:23
  - the 2nd part (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:53:24
- The board (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 11:49:00
  - in what way? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:50:45
    - For constantly making bad decisions and making Norwich an unstable club to work for (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 11:53:27
      - i agree they make bad decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:55:43
        
        So you're judging the boards whole time in charge on Lambert's reign? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 11:58:36
        
        no i've already stated they make bad decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:00:19
        
        Just by saying no, doesn't mean you're not still doing it (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:01:41
        
        how about the earlier reply (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:04:27
        
        It came with the but, which you have since 2 compared their whole reign (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:07:55
        
        no i simply said lambert doesn't find us unstable (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:13:43
        
        I made a point about the whole boards reign (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:20:20
        
        and i agreed with you saying they make bad decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:25:06
        
        How can he gage how stable it is working for us when he hasn't lost many games? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:26:33
        
        martin o'neill didn't lose many games either iirc (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:30:53
        
        He left because we wouldn't sign the players he wanted (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:33:00
        
        You cant possibly know that though, can you? He had a budget. (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:36:17
        
        yeah it's history but we can still talk about it (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:38:20
        
        which players? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:34:31
        
        Worthy didn't find us unstable (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:23:22
        
        The board pre Mclegend and Bowkett wouldn't have appointed Lamberrt (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 11:58:24
        
        who would've won us the league (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:04:15
        
        exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:01:01
        
        They already did that! (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:00:59
- glenn roeder (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Jan 13, 11:47:42
- Roeder, Gunn, Doncaster. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 11:47:12
  - so how do you put gunn responsible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:48:29
    - Because he's not mother teresa, he was man who took a job on and failed miserably. (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:14:31
    - For believing he had tha ability and putting himself forward. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 11:54:58
      - yeah not that much different to alan shearer (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:56:31

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