Agreed - awards like tonight just devalue it

I've not got anything against Giggs who comes across as a decent bloke for a footballer and a good role model for kids but I don't understand why he got the PFA award having played about 10 games and I don't understand why he was even short listed for this. Having been short listed he was perhaps always in with a good chance because of all the Man United fans and Welsh fans who will have voted but I really don't think he has achieved things equal to a number of the world champions who were on the list nor has he particularly captured the publics imaginiation. He has played a few games, quite well, for Manchester United. So has Jonny Evans!

Lifetime achievement award may be justifed (although to be honest his attitude to playing for Wales was a bit of a disgrace as he barely ever played an away game for them) but sports personality of the year just seems wrong.

Posted By: Jim on December 13th 2009 at 22:18:57

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SPOTY is a joke (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:01:50
- Agreed - awards like tonight just devalue it (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 13, 22:18:57
  - It doesn't really have much value anyway. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 13, 22:37:14
    - it does for the more 'minority' sports i reckon (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 22:40:17
  - It's a public vote! (n/m) (Other Sports) - conker, Dec 13, 22:20:15
    - I know its a public vote but he shouldn't have been on the list (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 13, 22:22:41
- shoulda been Cavendish if you ask me (Other Sports) - Monty Peculiar, Dec 13, 21:46:24
  - Grant Holt for me (sic) (Other Sports) - Jambocanary, Dec 13, 22:06:04
  - and if you'd asked me, i'd've agreed (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:51:03
    - And I. Mark Cavendish 1, Jenson Button 2, Tom Daley 3 (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:54:08
      - 1. Phillips Idowu 2. Mark Cavendish 3. David Heyes for me (n/m) (Other Sports) - wgf500, Dec 13, 21:59:50
      - the heptathlete jesica ennis should have had a chance (n/m) (Other Sports) - gerry wratherty, Dec 13, 21:58:33
- Don't see why, it is the public that votes. Their only mistake is not putting him up for (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:14:26
  - no, I believe this to be a shambles (n/m) (Other Sports) - Charles21, Dec 13, 22:01:11
  - have a word with yourself! (Other Sports) - Rofl_Harris, Dec 13, 21:19:35
    - Obviously. But then neither has Seve Ballesteros. You see the problem with it? (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:23:21
      - Seve is one of the greatest golfers AND sporting personalities ever (Other Sports) - Rofl_Harris, Dec 13, 21:25:01
        
        Ah, now we get to the bottom of it. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:25:41
  - it's not the public that chooses the 10 finalists, he should never have been in there (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:18:36
    - But then if people didnt agree, then they wouldnt have voted. Fair enough, to me (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:21:32
      - Man Ure fans voting for one of their players (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:26:44
        
        The result will always have its knockers (n/m) (Other Sports) - WW2 News, Dec 13, 21:30:45
        
        lol. Bit disingenuous. People have their own criteria for voting - happens every year. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:28:18
        
        alright, Man Ure fans and Welsh people... (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:34:00
        
        Agreed. People vote for who they like. No other criteria. Same every year. (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:36:40
        
        agree 100% (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:40:22
        
        Possibly so. If the criteria were specifically achievement throughout the year. (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:42:54
        
        for the shortlist, it is (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:45:44
        
        It's not, haregoo lut (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:50:09
        
        and Giggs did fuck all during the year to put himself ahead of his teammates (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 22:36:41
        
        it doesn't rate their achievements - merely says the achievements have to be based in the (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 22:49:14
        
        you know exactly what it means (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 22:52:16
        
        (: (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 23:26:06
        
        Despite being a fucking awful manager. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 13, 21:37:29
        
        Fannnn-tastic! (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:38:00
        
        Hamilton? (Other Sports) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 13, 21:39:02
      - So what has Giggs done that's brilliant? (Other Sports) - Rofl_Harris, Dec 13, 21:22:50
        
        Erm, isn't that what I just said? You don't have to do something brilliant to win it (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:24:07
        
        at least she'd acheived something in the year she won it (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:27:27
        
        A sport for posh rich people... Giggs won the Premier League... (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:29:06
        
        Wow weeeee (Other Sports) - Rofl_Harris, Dec 13, 21:31:11
        
        What do you get if you win? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 13, 21:27:06
        
        Very small camera on a broad tripod. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Arizona Bay, Dec 13, 21:29:03
        
        I can't imagine how gutted the other nominees must be right now. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 13, 21:33:31
        
        World Champ who also happens to be a royal (Other Sports) - Rofl_Harris, Dec 13, 21:26:19
    - "Sports Personality of the Year" (Other Sports) - Iwan Husarmi, Dec 13, 21:20:35
      - David Haye is a walking PERSONALITY (Other Sports) - Rofl_Harris, Dec 13, 21:21:47
        
        When others think he is a cocky cunt. One man's meat is another man's poison (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:25:07
        
        of all the British footballers that have played the game over the past 12 months (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:29:47
        
        That's just it though, isn't it. What is a 'personality of the Year?' Is it achievement? (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:30:59
        
        yes it is, unless you're now making a case for Giggs based on his sparkling wit... (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:35:24
        
        I'd vote for Drury... (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:37:12
        
        you wouldn't get the chance because the public don't decide the shortlist... (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:39:02
        
        Yup. And back to the top of the thread we go... (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:39:56
        
        aye, SPOTY is a joke (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 13, 21:40:59
        
        Agreed. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:43:08
        
        I think you're just being a dirty little troll pal (n/m) (Other Sports) - Rofl_Harris, Dec 13, 21:32:15
        
        lol, if you say so. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 13, 21:32:42
- ^^^He's not wrong (n/m) (Other Sports) - wgf500, Dec 13, 21:09:51
- indeed (n/m) (Other Sports) - Danny, Dec 13, 21:03:29

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