as I say, if you want to believe official versions of events

perhaps that might make you feel safer and happier. I prefer to be more sceptical and unfortunately it appears more and more likely that things aren't what they seem.

Just look at how duplicitous and untrustworthy governments have been in history. It's clear that manipulation of information is key to doing that

Posted By: Worzel Scrimmage on October 7th 2009 at 19:08:38

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7/7 ripple effect (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:05:06
- I suspect things like this aren't a one off (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 18:02:38
  - course it's not, a simple look at govt activities in the past is sufficient (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:13:19
    - Just stop and think about how many people it would take to (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 18:58:27
      - If it's wmd and Tony Blair, then it's $1m for his efforts, and a job as a Middle East (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:03:57
      - plenty, but if they're told they're doing something else they needn't know (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:03:29
        
        Like WHAT (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:21:32
        
        like bolstering public backing for British military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:31:09
        
        War is hell - not quite the same as blaming fundamentalists (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:37:02
        
        war is hell, especially when totally unnecessary (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 21:58:01
        
        Not really the popint though was it? (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 22:10:06
        
        just what was the point then? let us all know (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 22:35:10
    - I might be paranoid, but wherever you turn (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 18:40:25
- is that linking to some fuckwit's idea that it's all a conspiracy? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:10:40
  - Must admit that I felt it was an idiot chatting rubbish as well (General Chat) - grimsbycanary3, Oct 7, 18:06:14
    - exactly, all it takes is an open mind and a healthy and natural distrust of the govt. (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:11:05
      - Not so open that your brain falls out (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 18:56:37
        
        such as? (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:04:33
        
        That's your problem. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:13:27
        
        And then, even if you had any (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:21:04
        
        on the contrary, to me the official version seems more extraordinary than any conspiracy (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:16:00
        
        I'm sure it makes life more mysterious and exciting for you that way (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:21:01
        
        Spot on Lee (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:24:18
        
        she knows exactly what happened does she? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:36:46
        
        I give up. You're a fruitcake. (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:41:36
        
        Believe what you want, I really don't give a flying fuck (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:44:48
        
        Clearly! (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:47:54
        
        "If you want to believe everything you see and read then that's up to you" (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:41:34
        
        a common misconception about the internet is that everything not from an 'official' source (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:48:12
        
        lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Oct 7, 19:52:22
        
        Weirdo (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:40:34
        
        if you want to resort to insults then you can fuck off (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:41:56
        
        Brilliant comeback - great debate and yes you're absolutely right (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:44:36
        
        Did this just happen? Did Judge just join in this thread chuck a load of wildly (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:49:09
        
        no pants (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:52:46
        
        dangerous? you really need to do some reading (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 21:11:54
        
        But your part in all this is equally bewildering (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:54:47
        
        Come now pants (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:57:37
        
        ahhh yes, wotb banter (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 20:00:53
        
        you started it you obnoxious fool (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:45:26
        
        Play the ball not the man - or are you spent? (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:46:53
        
        no, there's no point arguing with you because you're incapable of doing so without insults (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:50:42
        
        That's not exactly true (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:55:05
        
        wrong, I have a shedload of work to do, but I'm willing to provide retorts to anything you (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:03:45
        
        Good - see you later then! (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 20:05:39
        
        yep no problem whatsoever, as long as you can avoid insults (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:10:45
        
        ^^^He's in on it ^^^ (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Oct 7, 19:59:40
        
        But all fruitless I fear. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:33:26
        
        I don't think it was to be honest (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 20:07:06
        
        Ooops! Misread you as Yellalee - sorry YY (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:37:43
        
        I thought the same though. Fuck it, i'm taking the plaudits as well. (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Oct 7, 19:48:44
        
        It's cos you were building up to that dizzying climax! (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:40:52
        
        I wanked myself blind (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:42:01
        
        I wish this kind of rationalism existed on here whenever football is being debated (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:30:06
        
        on this we agree (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:43:07
        
        Haha, there's been a very careful use of my language on this thread (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:52:27
        
        tbh i think it's mostly because more's expected from Worzel... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:56:42
        
        smug cunt (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:55:36
  - so you're convinced that all the facts have been established and reported then? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:21:57
    - you're right, the government have been proven to lie before (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:32:15
      - the very fact that they're proven liars makes me sceptical lie to us constantly (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:39:23
        
        Why don't you just watch it - it's only 60 mins (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:47:18
        
        for the same reason i'm not about to sit down and watch 50 minutes of Bibleman (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:53:14
        
        then don't tell me it's bollocks - that's someone else's opinion, not yours (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:54:53
        
        no, that is my opinion and i'll happily tell you it's bollocks (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 18:00:05
        
        that's not really an effective argument is it? "I haven't seen it, but it isn't true" (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:08:27
        
        If I've ever watched those things, on reflection (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:10:40
        
        i haven't watched lots of things, but i still know them to be bollocks (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:03:41
        
        of course it has been said the BBC as just as corrupt as the government... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:46:36
        
        I wouldn't say the BBC is corrupt as such (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:51:41
        
        never said you could - but i know which i'd believe first (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:57:41
        
        they have, and that video is one such example, but as you so correctly mention (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:10:02
        
        Wow a proper Woodward and Bernstein here (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:23:25
        
        so, just who does own the media then? why don't you tell me since you know more about (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:37:53
        
        Dr Evil (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:41:16
        
        great comeback. Why don't you ACTUALLY look into it and present some facts (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:42:44
        
        He's in full swing now! (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:25:40
        
        Oh yeah, and that's an additional conspiracy you've piled on top of the other (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:02:28
        
        what? are you trying to suggest that the media isn't owned by the same interests? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:05:43
        
        No, the second conspiracy is your claim that the entire media is trying to keep it secret. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:10:20
        
        when you work for a media company (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:14:39
        
        And they've all taken a vow of silence?! (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:01:02
        
        and they're all in cahoots... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 18:59:49
        
        as I say, if you want to believe official versions of events (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:08:38
        
        just think about it logically, use that same skepticism and use it to evaluate this crack- (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:23:43
        
        All I said was that he makes lots of salient points which it's fair to say (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 23:02:51
        
        Worzel - put an end to this silliness now (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:20:25
        
        ahhhh, that ought to do it! (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:24:03

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