the very fact that they're proven liars makes me sceptical lie to us constantly

of everything they come out with
I don't blindly believe the maker of this video either, but the evidence presented is sourced and can be found and corroborated, something which can't be said for a great deal of the official version.

Posted By: Worzel Scrimmage on October 7th 2009 at 17:39:23

Message Thread

7/7 ripple effect (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:05:06
- I suspect things like this aren't a one off (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 18:02:38
  - course it's not, a simple look at govt activities in the past is sufficient (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:13:19
    - Just stop and think about how many people it would take to (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 18:58:27
      - If it's wmd and Tony Blair, then it's $1m for his efforts, and a job as a Middle East (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:03:57
      - plenty, but if they're told they're doing something else they needn't know (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:03:29
        
        Like WHAT (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:21:32
        
        like bolstering public backing for British military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:31:09
        
        War is hell - not quite the same as blaming fundamentalists (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:37:02
        
        war is hell, especially when totally unnecessary (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 21:58:01
        
        Not really the popint though was it? (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 22:10:06
        
        just what was the point then? let us all know (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 22:35:10
    - I might be paranoid, but wherever you turn (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 18:40:25
- is that linking to some fuckwit's idea that it's all a conspiracy? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:10:40
  - Must admit that I felt it was an idiot chatting rubbish as well (General Chat) - grimsbycanary3, Oct 7, 18:06:14
    - exactly, all it takes is an open mind and a healthy and natural distrust of the govt. (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:11:05
      - Not so open that your brain falls out (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 18:56:37
        
        such as? (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:04:33
        
        That's your problem. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:13:27
        
        And then, even if you had any (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:21:04
        
        on the contrary, to me the official version seems more extraordinary than any conspiracy (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:16:00
        
        I'm sure it makes life more mysterious and exciting for you that way (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:21:01
        
        Spot on Lee (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:24:18
        
        she knows exactly what happened does she? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:36:46
        
        I give up. You're a fruitcake. (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:41:36
        
        Believe what you want, I really don't give a flying fuck (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:44:48
        
        Clearly! (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:47:54
        
        "If you want to believe everything you see and read then that's up to you" (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:41:34
        
        a common misconception about the internet is that everything not from an 'official' source (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:48:12
        
        lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Oct 7, 19:52:22
        
        Weirdo (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:40:34
        
        if you want to resort to insults then you can fuck off (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:41:56
        
        Brilliant comeback - great debate and yes you're absolutely right (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:44:36
        
        Did this just happen? Did Judge just join in this thread chuck a load of wildly (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:49:09
        
        no pants (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:52:46
        
        dangerous? you really need to do some reading (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 21:11:54
        
        But your part in all this is equally bewildering (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:54:47
        
        Come now pants (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:57:37
        
        ahhh yes, wotb banter (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 20:00:53
        
        you started it you obnoxious fool (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:45:26
        
        Play the ball not the man - or are you spent? (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:46:53
        
        no, there's no point arguing with you because you're incapable of doing so without insults (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:50:42
        
        That's not exactly true (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:55:05
        
        wrong, I have a shedload of work to do, but I'm willing to provide retorts to anything you (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:03:45
        
        Good - see you later then! (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 20:05:39
        
        yep no problem whatsoever, as long as you can avoid insults (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:10:45
        
        ^^^He's in on it ^^^ (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Oct 7, 19:59:40
        
        But all fruitless I fear. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:33:26
        
        I don't think it was to be honest (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 20:07:06
        
        Ooops! Misread you as Yellalee - sorry YY (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:37:43
        
        I thought the same though. Fuck it, i'm taking the plaudits as well. (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Oct 7, 19:48:44
        
        It's cos you were building up to that dizzying climax! (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:40:52
        
        I wanked myself blind (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:42:01
        
        I wish this kind of rationalism existed on here whenever football is being debated (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:30:06
        
        on this we agree (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:43:07
        
        Haha, there's been a very careful use of my language on this thread (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:52:27
        
        tbh i think it's mostly because more's expected from Worzel... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:56:42
        
        smug cunt (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:55:36
  - so you're convinced that all the facts have been established and reported then? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:21:57
    - you're right, the government have been proven to lie before (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:32:15
      - the very fact that they're proven liars makes me sceptical lie to us constantly (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:39:23
        
        Why don't you just watch it - it's only 60 mins (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:47:18
        
        for the same reason i'm not about to sit down and watch 50 minutes of Bibleman (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:53:14
        
        then don't tell me it's bollocks - that's someone else's opinion, not yours (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:54:53
        
        no, that is my opinion and i'll happily tell you it's bollocks (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 18:00:05
        
        that's not really an effective argument is it? "I haven't seen it, but it isn't true" (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:08:27
        
        If I've ever watched those things, on reflection (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:10:40
        
        i haven't watched lots of things, but i still know them to be bollocks (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:03:41
        
        of course it has been said the BBC as just as corrupt as the government... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:46:36
        
        I wouldn't say the BBC is corrupt as such (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 17:51:41
        
        never said you could - but i know which i'd believe first (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 17:57:41
        
        they have, and that video is one such example, but as you so correctly mention (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 18:10:02
        
        Wow a proper Woodward and Bernstein here (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:23:25
        
        so, just who does own the media then? why don't you tell me since you know more about (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:37:53
        
        Dr Evil (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:41:16
        
        great comeback. Why don't you ACTUALLY look into it and present some facts (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 20:42:44
        
        He's in full swing now! (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:25:40
        
        Oh yeah, and that's an additional conspiracy you've piled on top of the other (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:02:28
        
        what? are you trying to suggest that the media isn't owned by the same interests? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:05:43
        
        No, the second conspiracy is your claim that the entire media is trying to keep it secret. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:10:20
        
        when you work for a media company (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:14:39
        
        And they've all taken a vow of silence?! (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 7, 19:01:02
        
        and they're all in cahoots... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 18:59:49
        
        as I say, if you want to believe official versions of events (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 19:08:38
        
        just think about it logically, use that same skepticism and use it to evaluate this crack- (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 19:23:43
        
        All I said was that he makes lots of salient points which it's fair to say (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 7, 23:02:51
        
        Worzel - put an end to this silliness now (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 7, 19:20:25
        
        ahhhh, that ought to do it! (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 7, 19:24:03

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