bit grim day today tbf despite the kherson elation

In the aftermath of the victory at Kherson things are happening.

First and perhaps most importantly.
The result of the 20 hour bombardment has raised concerns among the Ukrainian battle field commanders.
Several have complained that it was too much, and that it should not be done again.

And that there are too many dead Russians to process, and also that it was inhumane.

When even Sl****** is green in the face and start to say that "they did not deserve this..." about Russian Mobiks. Then it is bad.

Now, a brief digress to numbers.

Between 1600 and 1700 hours 5kt equivalent was dropped on the Russians, and not in a single hour until 1200 hours did that number drop below 1kt. In total around 50kt of brisant force was dropped on the Russians. That is far worse than anything done in human history against an enemy. Just for perspective, that is 6 250 EURO-trucks worth of ordinance...

Surovikin (rus armed forces commander in ukr) is not known for being soft and cuddly, nor is he known for giving up.

After having West Kherson taken from him, and East Kherson blown to kingdom come together with his well crafted defence lines, he picked up his personal phone and called Shoigu (russian defence minister).

Obviously he knew that everyone would listen in. Or, he was in such a shock that he did not care any longer.

He asked for permission to surrender. That was denied.

He asked to be dismissed. That was denied.

Then Shoigu asked for options. Surovikin answered, "To die!" and hung up.

Posted By: Tombs, Nov 11, 21:34:31