Just had a look at Burnley's and Palace's results so far.

Burnley have had 4 away games, and picked up a draw at Wolves, Villa and Brighton. Lost to Arsenal. At home, have beaten us and Southampton (3-0, so very easy). Lost to Liverpool. Nothing in that record so far that suggests sub 14th.

Palace so far have beaten Villa at home, plus us. Drew with Everton and Wolves. They have beaten Man Utd away, lost to the Blades and Spurs. Looking at match reports, Pickford was MOTM in the game against Everton, keeping the visitors in it. And they leaked an equaliser to Wolves in the 95th minute. I'm sure they feel they should have had more points. But again, very decent.

We might need to accept that for those two away games, against very capable and experienced teams with very strong home records, 0 points is par score for us at the moment.

Posted By: Under soil heating, Sep 30, 10:33:05