by being worse off than us, bar 3 of them

No-one is saying we can't cope alone, the rather simple point is that we will be worse off alone than we would be if we were to remain in the EU.

If people want to put sovereignty above economics in terms of their priorities, fine.

But don't kid yourselves that we can be this great independent nation but not suffer for it.

So we'll have control over who comes in or not - whoop de f**king do. We will not be cutting immigration in real terms any time soon because we need it for growth.

Immigration is not the problem - it's the woeful underfunding of public services to accomodate it. That is not going to change any time soon because the electorate (by and large) doesn't want to pay for it.

And paying for it will become that much harder when the economy isn't performing quite as well as we're expecting it to, given all of our growth and spending forecasts etc assume remaining part of the EU.

Posted By: CWC, Jun 3, 13:38:40