This is moving towards a debate

and I'm sorry, I can't comment. I can only stay inside my own parameters. Another day maybe, not now

If this is the start of improved relations, you'll maybe see where I've always come from, and how we've always been at odds with each other

Try not to jump miles in front of yourself about what I think. It's not fair on me. And it's not fair when you do so the day after, or 2 days after, to strengthen your point

When you do that I often say this "there isn't any point me replying", and I say that because you've already taken something I've said out of context, ran with it, and then decided it's exactly what I think.

If it's two days later and you're adding it to the point you're making, which is incorrect again, then it's just a spiral of obvious irritation to me

Given that there's other people on here who are doing the same things all the time, every day. I can be one reply into a subject on here, and I can have 3 people accusing me of all kinds of things I haven't even said

I can either

just ignore it (which is then replied "see, he's not said anything, he can't, cos we're right),

I can refuse to be drawn into it because I'm getting it from all sides (which then fires the vendetta argument back at me as the conclusion).

Or, I can continue to defend myself, in which, what has already happened (concluding my opinion from a misunderstanding), scatters further like a burst pillow case

This is why I hold the stance of "whatever I do, I lose" because those are the terms usually I'm bound under, and the allied status that greets me when I reply my opinion on here

If you don't agree with that, I'll understand, but last night charles first reply was an instant troll, using scc's phrase "has this happened before" at the end of the thread (which is a direct scc phrase, charles will probably go refute that, but we've been here a few weeks ago, I offered ?50 for them to find phrases they've said "loads" on here and between them they got to about 7 over the last 5 years).

Yet he just accused me of sticking up for a racist, which is way off, inciteful, what I wasn't doing. But that's the point. It was supposed to be inciteful, it was supposed to make me snap, or tilt, or whatever

Later when you asked me to expand (again in a loaded way, you presumed what I had to say was going to be trolling for the sake of attention User Posted Link charles replied "don't bother" again, to create a majority feel that that's definitely what's going on

Arguing on here, isn't a democracy, even though many see it like that. Saying a player is rubbish, and many agreeing, but 1 not, doesn't mean the 1 is obviously wrong because you've got enough support. It's just that he's outnumbered in his view

Neither is taking something I haven't said, into something I appear to have, and then democratically agreeing that it's exactly what I said

I really hope this makes sense. Cos we can move on if it does

If not, then this is a going to be a recurring thing. And no matter how much you claim it's my doing, it's going to be quite clear who's doing it is

At the moment, I'm in a position where I haven't really stated anything scandalous, yet I'm defending myself because of something I haven't said

From there, when I say "maybe I shouldn't put my opinion on here anymore" or "I'm not going to cos it just kicks off stuff on here", you usually say "well I'll pull you up if you're talking bollocks" or "please post whatever you feel, it's fine", Hopefully you can see how a lot of the time, you're driving me away from posting my view, as you're not seeing it, and then concluding my view as some extreme troll or nutter status

It's such a massive headache to see that what you've said is being pulled apart around a forum

I know it's fully meant when others do it, but if you and me don't move on from this soon, then, I'm sorry, but I'll begin to assume you're part of it.

The more of you in numbers, the more you can approve and repeat this stance "we're not trolling, it's not our fault you argue with everyone on here"

Ethwho and Selwyn are obviously wind ups. I'm just posting what I think, and I always have. I'm not a troll

The minute I defend myself, and try and diffuse something instead of it going on for 20 threads, it's either "god it's only banter, you're so sensitive" or it's the other line of threading that you and others take. Ie you shrink it right down until we're like this

All I said is Dimbleby said one thing, and earlier he couldn't even address someone properly, even getting the colour of his shirt wrong. And here's where we are, the day after

Unsurprisingly, whatever I say, I'm always the one with the wrong end of the stick, or I'm always the one that's taken someone way too far over nothing

It's never anyone else, except when it is, and often

This is the last chance now. Pull these stunts again alongside charles or whoever, and I'll just think you have a morbid fascination in wearing other people down for kicks

I'm sick of being taken down this road week after week only to be damned as a complete lunatic, for making direct observations from a television programme, or any other subject

Posted By: pants, Oct 23, 15:09:53