The fact that it is difficult to achieve ideals does not mean that one should abandon the

attempt

The UN was born, I think, as a result of (yes) WW2. The leaders of the most powerful nations were so appalled that within 20 years of the end of WW1 the great powers were at each others throats again that they decided to try some new institution, to see if they could stop it.

Now, it is true that there remains a horrific amount of conflict across the world. But it is also true that western Europe has enjoyed the longest period of peace in its history, and that none of the great powers has fought a war directly against another. So there is some progress.

Posted By: Old Git on November 28th 2008 at 14:47:59

Message Thread

What's the point of The UN? (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:29:31
- To start a row on the wrath? (n/m) (General Chat) - Small, Nov 28, 14:56:19
- hair collection (General Chat) - malkybarkid, Nov 28, 14:49:39
- It's that thing the US and UK ignore when it suits them (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Nov 28, 14:47:00
- The UN works to make the world a better place for all people. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:42:44
  - That's what I mean by failing (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:44:02
    - The fact that it is difficult to achieve ideals does not mean that one should abandon the (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 28, 14:47:59
      - in fairness to the world leaders after WW1 (General Chat) - blindasabat, Nov 28, 14:52:51
        
        The failing of the league of nations was it worked on a unanimous vote (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 14:57:57
        
        I'd have to look it up (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 15:14:20
        
        has the EU learned nothing from the League of Nations then? (General Chat) - blindasabat, Nov 28, 14:59:52
        
        EU or UN ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 15:00:54
        
        EU (General Chat) - blindasabat, Nov 28, 15:04:34
        
        which previous post? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 15:00:53
        
        this one here (General Chat) - blindasabat, Nov 28, 15:09:32
        
        nah (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 15:11:37
        
        The League is very well when sparrows shout, but no good at all when eagles fall out (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:54:53
      - We've had European peace since 1945, IMO they should start pulling their finger out (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:52:21
        
        have we? (n/m) (General Chat) - Small, Nov 28, 14:55:12
        
        All European countries haven't been warring together since 1945 (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:57:56
        
        The problem there is, European countries are partly to blame for conflicts (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 15:02:10
        
        nob-heads like Switzerland and Sweden weren't warring in 1945 (n/m) (General Chat) - Small, Nov 28, 15:00:33
        
        How silly of them (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 28, 15:03:10
        
        Errm, which bit of Europe are you referring to ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:52:45
        
        The ones in the European Union (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:54:20
        
        Like Slovenia, you mean ? And Spain ? And Germany ? Hungary, Czech Republic, (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:56:53
        
        What? (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 28, 15:00:05
        
        Countries currently within the European Union who (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 15:03:18
        
        I think that's comparing apples and oranges (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 28, 15:09:18
        
        ethnic cleansing continued (s) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 15:40:32
        
        No no no no no no (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 15:12:01
        
        Europe since 1945 has been consderably more peaceful than at any other time in modern (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 28, 15:16:28
        
        Of course, Git, but as you well know I wasn't disputing that at all. However, we have not (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 15:22:19
        
        too true - after all, we had a war with Iceland over fish! (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, Nov 28, 15:28:28
        
        we should have nuked them (n/m) (General Chat) - Small, Nov 28, 15:29:37
        
        Would have saved us some bloody money all right (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 15:32:36
        
        yep, our cod would have come pre-cooked (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, Nov 28, 15:37:22
        
        and the whole Tevez-saga would never have happened (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Nov 28, 15:34:09
        
        See the UN didn't prevent it (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:59:27
        
        No. But I doubt they could prevent a burp. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 15:00:21
    - You don't know how bad things would be without them though. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 28, 14:45:42
      - and you don't know that they wouldn't be better (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Nov 28, 14:47:17
        
        Indeed. (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 28, 14:49:55
        
        *water*. (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 28, 14:50:34
        
        WE KNEW (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 28, 14:53:44
- peacekeeping (n/m) (General Chat) - Small, Nov 28, 14:32:46
- It's a pre-fix that turns many words in the English language into their opposite meaning. (n/m) (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 28, 14:32:37
- Is this an mbk stylee dilemma? (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 28, 14:32:11
  - No, just a question what the average person thinks. (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:36:28
    - I think it serves a good humanitarian purpose, and it's the modern day red cross (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 14:41:13
      - So what does the Red Cross do now the UN is the Red Cross ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:46:37
        
        Replaces mercury fillings with white ones (n/m) (General Chat) - malkybarkid, Nov 28, 14:50:24
        
        That's brilliant. So the starving war children at least don't have gammy teeth on the tell (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:52:17
        
        y (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:52:20
        
        I meant like the red cross really. If someone sees the UN in a war zone (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 14:48:55
        
        No, not really (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Nov 28, 15:12:09
        
        lol. Are you serious ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:50:27
        
        No, I'm just doing this to entertain you (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 14:52:47
        
        Mysogynistic twat (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:59:47
        
        It kills poor children. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Nov 28, 14:47:48
        
        Provides highly visible places for helicopters to land. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 28, 14:47:21
      - What's the Red Cross (/Crescent) then? (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Nov 28, 14:46:25
        
        haha, someone came to talk to me, so I hit submit (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 14:49:52
        
        that's the old UN (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 28, 14:46:52
        
        and the Pink 'Un? (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Nov 28, 14:48:01
      - I thought the Royal Navy did that (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Nov 28, 14:43:18
- justifies ridiculous wages? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 28, 14:30:15

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