By the way - definition of "a doddle"...

...enough to build basic stuff without worrying too much about performance.

A good professional programmer needs to know the ins and outs of the objects he is using in my opinion - memory issues, caveats, best practices, etc. That's not such a doddle. Too many hobbyists out there talking their way into programming jobs and it often takes a few months to realise they aren't all that.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on September 6th 2006 at 11:36:49

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FAO: ASP .NET Programmers... (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 10:56:05
- I find Lotus 123 the best software to use, just upgraded to 1988 edition. (n/m) (General Chat) - lovely old job, Sep 6, 12:00:40
  - I prefer the Elise (n/m) (General Chat) - Partial Angler, Sep 6, 12:02:24
- Wrox series is the best I've found. Should be (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:30:46
- The Apress Matthew Macdonald ASP.NET book is pretty good. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:17:46
  - Lies...... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:20:00
    - How is that a lie? (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:23:39
      - VB6 is not OO. The Horseless one speaks truth (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:31:22
        
        FFS (Blub warning) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:33:34
        
        C# is a doddle if you know any C based language and OO principles (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:35:13
        
        I've gone way beyond C and C#. I skipped D, and now exclusively use Eb. (n/m) (General Chat) - Partial Angler, Sep 6, 11:53:49
        
        There is actually one called E (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:54:47
        
        If it weren't for C, we'd be writing programs in BASI, PASAL, and OBOL (n/m) (General Chat) - Partial Angler, Sep 6, 11:56:24
        
        C is a well known hoax anyway (General Chat) - Partial Angler, Sep 6, 11:57:43
        
        And I'd be rap at it (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:57:39
        
        and D. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:56:00
        
        F (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:57:29
        
        G (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:58:21
        
        Again, I know all this. What's your point? (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:37:44
        
        I was supporting the horseless one, not berating you. (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:38:42
        
        Never too early for a blub. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:42:21
        
        By the way - definition of "a doddle"... (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:36:49
      - How about, more of a mislead then...... (n/m) (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:26:06
        
        Misleading? "If you know Java, C# is a doddle." (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:28:27
        
        Alright then..... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:42:54
        
        Ok then. I'll stop blubbing. (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:44:54
        
        Now Smalltalk is proper OO (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:44:51
        
        It's Eiffel I like...... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:47:17
- Wrox books are good (General Chat) - Fleggster, Sep 6, 11:07:24
  - I've never used a Wrox book I've considered "good". (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 6, 11:10:02
    - True. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 6, 11:19:32
      - They're as bad as "SAMS Teach Yourself xxxxxxx In 24 Days" books (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 6, 11:24:17
    - Have to agree...... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:11:37
- Ignore the C# bit. (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:06:01
  - My OO is pretty bad... (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 11:10:46
    - Dunno how you are writing php properly then (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:33:07
      - Non-OO php is perfectly possible. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 6, 11:34:07
        
        Yeah that's what I meant by "properly". You can write (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:37:53
        
        I think you definition of "properly" might differ from mine slightly. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 6, 11:42:08
        
        Sounds like it (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:46:05
        
        My definition of "properly" in terms of professional programming is (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 6, 11:49:17
    - In which case...... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:13:54
      - PS What you hoping to do with it? (n/m) (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:14:39
        
        Get a job!! (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 11:15:52
        
        Problem with that though, is that (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:33:54
        
        True but I have 2 years professional PHP experience (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 11:37:57
        
        That helps. You OK with XSLT & XML ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:39:19
        
        I've done a little with XML but no XSLT (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 11:43:38
        
        Learn it, and ADO.NET once you have the C# down. (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:48:43
        
        I only really want to build websites (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 11:51:43
        
        Yeah - with .Net, Microsoft brought everything into a common framework ... (General Chat) - bjt, Sep 6, 12:03:27
        
        It is. (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:52:00
        
        Indeed, and websites are not just web pages (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:54:07
        
        You can get Oracle at home for free. (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:49:28
        
        Can you ? (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:51:18
        
        OK...... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:17:40
        
        I have time but want to get up to speed quite quickly (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 11:34:25
        
        You won't. (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:39:10
        
        Not that difficult is it ? It's only a concept which most people with the ability (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:41:20
        
        Depends on how elegant you wish your solution to be. (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:44:12
        
        Assuming your OO is as bad as you say it is. (n/m) (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:40:27
        
        Bad OO or you just don't know it ? (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:43:39
        
        So the Gang of Four spent all that time studying it for nothing then? (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:48:42
        
        It's even more difficult to find a serious use for it (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:49:58
        
        You're kidding, right? (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:51:20
        
        Were you not discussing multiple inheritance ? (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:52:52
        
        No..... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 12:10:44
        
        I have a book on OO with PHP 5 but it's all theory with no real world examples... (General Chat) - Ben, Sep 6, 11:42:54
        
        Learning OO goes through certain phases (General Chat) - Partial Angler, Sep 6, 12:01:52
        
        Have they moved on from tables, chairs and fruit and veg then ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 6, 11:50:22
        
        Ha ha...... (General Chat) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Sep 6, 11:46:05
        
        Ha ha ha. It was tigers when I learnt principles of OO at university. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 6, 11:45:50

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