Agreed
It's a very complex situation over there. It's the poor bloody Lebanese civilians who are copping the worst though.
Arguably the Lebanese gummint should have done more to control the south of the country and get Hezb'allah out or at least under control. Hezb'allah, of course, is a front for Syria (our mates from the Gulf War, remember them?) and Iran (bad-guys-no-good-guys-no-bad-guys-again). But it's hard for a relatively poor middle eastern state like Lebanon realistically to act against what everyone knows is a front for more hardline states.
Equally it's entirely clear that Israel is going to respond when provoked and I have a hard time blaming them for that. Where we've got to now though is such a vast and tragic overreaction - which doesn't even appear to be achieving its military objectives, from what little we can discern "out here" in BBC-reading-land - that even Israel's staunchest friends should be telling them to just stop. Fuck all this "well we're not mutually agreeing a ceasefire because that would elevate terrorist organisation Hezb'allah to the same level as a nation state" - they've dealt with them before wrt prisoner exchanges and the like and must do so again now.
Israeli kids painting/writing on shells is nothing that didn't happen here in WW2 and happens everywhere in conflicts. So I'm not that exercised about it. What I am exercised about is the indiscriminate targetting of mainly civilian areas based on what appears to be ropy intel identifying Hezb'allah sites. What I am also exercised about is the vapid unsophistication of US foreign policy - unchanged in principle in decades (identify "the good guy", arm them, then be surprised when they turn on you - Osama Bin Laden used to be a "good guy" and was trained, funded and armed by the CIA, as did the mujahadeen, as did...). This approach has not worked or come remotely close to working in any one single theatre that I can think of.
Bottom line: this has to just stop, and the only diplomatically acceptable way that's now going to happen is that a strong UN force with a strong mandate and the ability and will and multilateral political backing to act if it needs to (no more Srebrenicas, thank you) gets in-country right-the-f**k-now, kicking the Israelis south and any identifiable Hezb'allah north.
I also think the risk is high that this area, sooner or later, will go nuclear. "Duck".
Posted By: Partial Angler on August 1st 2006 at 12:47:33
Message Thread
- Israeli cunts (NCFC) - Mushy Pea, Aug 1, 12:07:04
- If Hezbollah set up camp in Calais (NCFC) - Cannydc, Aug 1, 12:42:33
- No we would not bomb the hell out of France!! What are you are? (n/m) (NCFC) - greendude, Aug 1, 13:15:16
- Sorry I hate this view of Israel being victims - they have continually killed more... (NCFC) - greendude, Aug 1, 13:07:04
- That might be a reasonable response to us bombing Paris ... (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 13:00:02
- Are you saying we should blanket bomb the south of France then? ... (NCFC) - bjt, Aug 1, 12:55:09
- Very simplistic (NCFC) - romayellow, Aug 1, 12:32:03
- Agreed (NCFC) - Partial Angler, Aug 1, 12:47:33
- where ever you have an extreme ...... (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 1, 12:45:59
- Isreal response is out of all proportion... (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 1, 12:43:24
- romayellow - agree totally - I speak as someone with relatives 5 miles from Haifa... (n/m) (NCFC) - Beth Nal Green, Aug 1, 12:42:57
- PROTEST THIS SAT LONDON. www.stopwar.org.uk - details of cooches from Norwich (n/m) (NCFC) - greendude, Aug 1, 12:26:21
- Fuck that (NCFC) - InTheAbsenceOfAHorse, Aug 1, 12:56:08
- www.stoptheterrorists.org (NCFC) - Cannydc, Aug 1, 12:37:23
- I heard they are thinking of renaming it StopBushandBlair.org (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 1, 13:07:51
- It's how you go about doing it that bothers me - anyway that site doesn't work (n/m) (NCFC) - greendude, Aug 1, 13:01:53
- terrorists on both sides? (NCFC) - pants, Aug 1, 13:01:14
- where is the protest? (n/m) (NCFC) - shoddy, Aug 1, 12:28:48
- Bristol (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 1, 12:31:28
- Starts at Hyde Park speakers corner midday - details on website (n/m) (NCFC) - greendude, Aug 1, 12:31:22
- London. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Aug 1, 12:30:13
- Good use of "cooches"... (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 1, 12:27:13
- Agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 1, 12:23:01
- Fuck them all, let them blow eachother up i could not give a fuck (NCFC) - DiscoDaleGordon, Aug 1, 12:09:27
- America has contributed hugely to the problems in the middle east (NCFC) - pants, Aug 1, 12:11:49
- we are just another state of America & I don't like it, I would like to tell the Americans (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 1, 12:14:58
- Spot on (NCFC) - Mushy Pea, Aug 1, 12:12:52
- Prestwick I heard (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 1, 12:32:18
- Prestwick was stopped, so they've allowed the use of Mildenhall (n/m) (NCFC) - bjt, Aug 1, 13:00:27
- Prestwick I heard (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 1, 12:32:18
- America has contributed hugely to the problems in the middle east (NCFC) - pants, Aug 1, 12:11:49
- good war just war syndrome (NCFC) - pants, Aug 1, 12:09:15
- Dont get me wrong (NCFC) - Mushy Pea, Aug 1, 12:11:45
- Inteesting articles from the Times (NCFC) - Claygate_Canary, Aug 1, 12:38:45
- Dont get me wrong (NCFC) - Mushy Pea, Aug 1, 12:11:45
- If Hezbollah set up camp in Calais (NCFC) - Cannydc, Aug 1, 12:42:33
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