For me it's all about the economy. Everything flows from that. Illegal migration is a

headline grabber but in the bigger picture it's insignificant.

I do believe that climate change is an existential threat but I'm coming around to thinking that the original aspirations and milestones for net zero were probably too aggressive and need to be revisited. The UK can't solve the problem on its own and there's no point in hamstringing our economy while other countries dawdle.

That all said still not convinced that Reform are any better placed or capable than any other party to improve our economy.

Posted By: The Gaffer on June 20th 2025 at 16:45:08

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Hi troops (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 10:12:46
- Lets discuss your skilset..... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 20, 15:16:44
  - What make me qualified (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 15:41:09
    - You didnt answer most of my questions. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 20, 19:42:48
    - You can have as many opinions as you like. (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 18:19:04
      - Really ? (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 19:02:47
        
        Hitler had opinions... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 20, 19:44:58
- Why are right wingers so angry and unhappy? (NCFC) - footymadman, Jun 20, 12:37:19
  - Because we have to listen to left wing nonsense all the time. (n/m) (NCFC) - Biggles, Jun 20, 13:26:43
    - God forbid we have free speech. (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 18:26:33
    - Why do you? (NCFC) - CB41, Jun 20, 17:47:40
    - Why do you? (NCFC) - CB41, Jun 20, 17:47:26
    - No you don’t. Other people have opinions. They may differ from yours. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 15:19:59
  - Are they ? (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 12:42:34
    - Vote reform. Can they be any worse than Liebour and Cons. They at least deserve a (NCFC) - Biggles, Jun 20, 13:29:25
      - Yes, they absolutely can be worse. Their leader is a spiv cunt to start with (n/m) (NCFC) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Jun 20, 21:47:53
      - “Deserve a crack at it” (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 15:16:07
        
        Deserved a quack at it. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 15:16:24
      - “Deserve a crack at it” (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 15:15:50
      - For me I don’t find arguments like “can they be any worse” or “they deserve a crack” (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Jun 20, 14:06:28
        
        Where do I start? Immigration, Net zero. (n/m) (NCFC) - Biggles, Jun 20, 14:39:50
        
        For me it's all about the economy. Everything flows from that. Illegal migration is a (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Jun 20, 16:45:08
        
        We've become a country without a story (NCFC) - paulg, Jun 20, 18:18:31
        
        Watch Shifty (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 19:57:01
        
        Brexit has partly caused a spike in migration (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 20, 18:30:02
        
        Which history and religion have we thrown out? (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 18:29:20
        
        Neither of those are policies (n/m) (NCFC) - Klobo04, Jun 20, 14:52:34
        
        Racist, planet killer , how very dare you (n/m) (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 14:51:57
        
        See, that’s not the reasoned debate you said you wanted (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 15:18:38
        
        I mean it's called irony - lost on some (n/m) (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 15:41:59
        
        It’s really not (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 16:18:02
        
        At best it’s sarcasm (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 16:18:42
      - They will merge with Cons (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 13:44:17
- Did Brexit (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 12:33:15
  - Im not sure Brexit facilitated old fashioned racists (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 12:45:38
    - debate is not allowed (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 20, 14:56:10
      - What would you like to debate? (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 16:40:28
      - Are you OK? (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 20, 15:47:30
      - Utter nonsense (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 15:21:57
        
        It's become one of the right's favourite lies though (NCFC) - Bertie Russell, Jun 20, 15:32:09
    - I agree with your main point that differences of opinion should be encouraged rather than (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Jun 20, 13:19:25
      - Well I'm a centrist (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 13:51:33
        
        do you *actually* think you're a centrist, or is that just what you say (NCFC) - Bertie Russell, Jun 20, 16:13:13
        
        100% a centrist. (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 17:02:51
        
        Not aligning with the left or right (NCFC) - Klobo04, Jun 20, 17:15:19
        
        This will not compute. (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 18:20:53
        
        I'm all centrist if I say I am (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 19:06:15
        
        Hilarious pisstake of what you see as the other side (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 20:46:27
        
        TL;DR - it doesn’t mean what you think it means (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 20:47:00
        
        Specifically, what Descartes meant (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 20, 20:48:58
        
        I see… (n/m) (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 20:37:48
        
        There are very, very few far left people on here (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 20, 16:47:12
        
        I was hoping we could have a serious discussion, so I’m not sure why there's a need for (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Jun 20, 14:01:27
        
        OK, I exaggerated a tad (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 14:06:49
        
        Have you ever considered that it's not actually the view you hold that people object to... (NCFC) - Klobo04, Jun 20, 14:15:50
        
        You can object to anything you wish (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 14:32:41
        
        True. (NCFC) - Snakepit Divorcee, Jun 20, 18:24:22
        
        I agree. Dismissing someone’s valid point of view by simply labelling them feels quite (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Jun 20, 14:15:27
    - spot on 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Splat, Jun 20, 13:09:19
- A mind bender (NCFC) - Disco, Jun 20, 10:29:35
- If you try to fail and succeed, did you fail or succeed? (n/m) (NCFC) - Klobo04, Jun 20, 10:17:15

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