He’s taken the core Labour vote for granted
That never works out well for any party which does it and his approval ratings are as low as they’ve ever been. More Labour voters now disapprove of him than approve of him.
It’s a mistake to write the man off. He’s reversed that kind of thing before.
But the problem is we still don’t know what Labour is for. Not being the Tories was enough in 2024. It won’t be in 2029. It isn’t growth and it isn’t net zero. What is it? I genuinely can’t tell.
Meanwhile, however you rationalise each of them individually, the narrative that he’s come after the old, the disabled, trans people and the world’s poor, and used racist dogwhistles - a PM’s speech is not improvised and no way did they not know they were calling back to Enoch Powell - is much, much easier to write than the narrative that he’s isn’t.
The Tories have beaten themselves and beating reform is about painting and delivering a positive future vision which addresses the frustrations and sense of being ignored the reform voters feel without pandering to Farage’s idiotic/racist “solutions”.
The own goal on taxes doesn’t help. If the Tories had won last year they too would have had to raise taxes. Neither of them was honest about it. World events gave them a great excuse to row back on that but they chose not to. Hunt set elephant traps for them and they’ve walked into both of them (employee NI cuts that he knew were unsustainable but he also knew it wouldn’t be him trying, and “Will you guarantee not to raise income tax/VAT/etc”).
The best stuff Starmer has done is foreign policy: Ukraine, dealing with Trump, stabilising relations with the EU etc. Elections are neither won nor lost through the Foreign Office though.
I voted Labour last time. I will struggle to do so next time. A quick glance at my book face feed suggests I’m very far from alone in that.
Posted By: Old Man on May 16th 2025 at 18:53:02
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- two tier Starmer shitting himself (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, May 16, 17:20:42
- He’s just tweeted “if you load people onto boats in France we are coming for you” (General Chat) - Tony Martin, May 16, 19:38:15
- What did your lot do? (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 19:43:27
- Not sure you can blame the Lib Dem’s pal, but well done. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, May 16, 20:02:05
- Of course… (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 21:44:01
- Tory enablers I believe (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 20:15:39
- Not sure you can blame the Lib Dem’s pal, but well done. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, May 16, 20:02:05
- What did your lot do? (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 19:43:27
- Show your calculations. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 19:13:50
- Labour polling at around 22% (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 20:08:09
- Labour are not that low in any poll. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 20:13:55
- Politico poll of polls (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 20:16:29
- Whatever you want. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 21:58:36
- The facts just showing how uninformed your comment was (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 22:49:20
- Wikipedia page listing all major poll results (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 20:26:06
- Whatever you want. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 21:58:36
- Politico poll of polls (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 20:16:29
- Labour are not that low in any poll. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, May 16, 20:13:55
- Labour polling at around 22% (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 20:08:09
- He’s taken the core Labour vote for granted (General Chat) - Old Man, May 16, 18:53:02
- I'd agree with that (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, May 16, 20:25:57
- What is racist, about wanting migration levels a tad lower than (General Chat) - phrankin, May 16, 20:11:02
- It's almost impossible to be leader of the labour party (General Chat) - paulg, May 16, 21:00:04
- It’s Two Tier Keir (General Chat) - lurd, May 16, 18:06:43
- yes but ... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, May 16, 18:34:37
- ? (n/m) (General Chat) - colincanary, May 16, 17:46:53
- winter fuel row back ... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, May 16, 17:52:47
- He’s just tweeted “if you load people onto boats in France we are coming for you” (General Chat) - Tony Martin, May 16, 19:38:15
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