Opinions vs facts.

Even if relegated we have gone from a club in massive debt and a overpaid squad to a club debt free and a squad of very valuable players......

How is that going back to square one?

How are we not in a far better position than when he took over?

Posted By: usacanary on January 3rd 2020 at 17:06:52

Message Thread

So Idah possibly our only fit striker for the next 2 games (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 14:20:44
- we got Krul due to injury that's been ok (NCFC) - pinkney, Jan 3, 15:31:25
  - Everyone is eventually judged in hindsight (n/m) (NCFC) - Merryxmas, Jan 3, 15:58:35
    - Thats fair, but judge the whole picture..... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 16:12:16
      - Where have I said he’s poor at buying players? (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 16:46:07
        
        We had 4 centre halves plus amadou. (NCFC) - paulg, Jan 3, 20:38:24
        
        So where does the money come for a "thicker" squad? (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:03:18
        
        We had the money. We could have spent more without massive risk (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 17:06:55
        
        So you are either saying............ (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:18:03
        
        No I’m not really saying either am I (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 20:00:39
        
        We had 15 million at least. I keep saying it (n/m) (NCFC) - Merryxmas, Jan 3, 17:05:46
        
        Is that a 100% fact or just paper talk which is mostly nonsense. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:11:35
        
        Bailey confirmed we made the bid for Claude Maurice (n/m) (NCFC) - Merryxmas, Jan 3, 17:21:11
        
        And Chris Lakey wrote this......... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:24:57
        
        And FWIW if you go back to this message board on August 7th... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:39:28
      - Last summer was demonstrably poor (NCFC) - Merryxmas, Jan 3, 16:23:21
        
        How long have you been a fan? (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 16:32:45
        
        Wow, that was patronising (n/m) (NCFC) - Merryxmas, Jan 3, 16:41:36
        
        yes, I know, "facts" actually rub some people the wrong way... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 16:44:53
        
        You sound like the wounded one (NCFC) - Merryxmas, Jan 3, 16:57:20
        
        Opinions vs facts. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:06:52
        
        Oh.... and lets not forget the academy and training ground investments. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:08:30
  - Byram is another isn't he? (NCFC) - CWC, Jan 3, 15:44:03
    - yes that's true and there will be others that work out and ones that don't (NCFC) - pinkney, Jan 3, 15:48:54
  - Yes but that doesnt fit the agenda....only bash the players that dont work out. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:34:22
    - Even the best teams only have around a 50% hit rate (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 3, 16:41:04
- I'm forgiving on the centreback situation - always thought the Forwards position (NCFC) - Azteca, Jan 3, 15:17:52
  - Yes the CB situation I will admit has been unfortunate and the Klose comment is (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 15:24:05
    - Klose actually came back in September and then got crocked by a bad tackle (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:29:19
      - Yeah just bad luck - he went in for a 50:50 at crawley and came out worst (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 3, 15:50:58
        
        We were rushing him back in my view (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 16:48:03
        
        rushing him back for a game vs Crawly town - hmm I think that is not likely (n/m) (NCFC) - pinkney, Jan 3, 17:42:42
- Yes bad luck having 3 injuries but to be honest (NCFC) - Mackem Canary, Jan 3, 14:49:06
- These decisions are amazingly easy to make in hindsight, aren't they? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 14:37:40
  - Any team would struggle with our injuries. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:02:20
    - If you sign injury prone players and they then get injured then I think (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 15:09:01
      - "fit for purpose" - first you need to define the purpose... (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Jan 3, 15:37:50
        
        owning/running a premier league club (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 15:42:40
        
        That's not true (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 3, 16:35:22
        
        they've done ok at it over the past 10 years (NCFC) - CWC, Jan 3, 15:46:31
        
        Not in the premier league club they haven’t. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 16:52:44
        
        Dont let actual facts get in the way of a good Jim Blub.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:50:52
        
        I think Stoke just made a bad managerial appointment and had (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 17:08:36
        
        You want me to list all the other former PL clubs with.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 17:21:51
      - "owners not fit for purpose".............. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:19:52
        
        You're talking to Jim here (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:42:03
        
        It's a very sad thing about modern football... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:23:02
        
        vmt (NCFC) - CWC, Jan 3, 15:35:07
        
        "And to what end" is the key (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:56:14
        
        Well said but..... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 16:03:07
        
        Yep - I’m enjoying this season really (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 3, 20:44:27
        
        Was having this conversation the other day (NCFC) - duke of york, Jan 3, 16:10:20
        
        I have not given up. We are not overmatched in this division (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 16:16:57
        
        Yes - I’m fully onboard with the model the club is going for (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 3, 15:55:23
        
        Yep. I wonder how many champs clubs wish...... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:26:38
      - usac was spot on about Drmic (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 3, 15:19:43
        
        Thank you Mr "Hung Parliment" (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:32:07
        
        You’re welcome mr ‘top half finish’ (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 3, 15:37:44
      - It's a case of injury prone players or worse players though (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:15:11
        
        Exactly, didnt complain about the players last season...... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:17:47
        
        Course not because at Championship level they are decent players and (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 15:26:49
        
        Drmic has at least as much pedigree as Rhodes doesn't he? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:33:28
        
        Again, sorry the money tree wasnt available but..... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:30:27
- Yeah, in hindsight (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 3, 14:35:15
- out of curiosity (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Jan 3, 14:30:09
  - I woldn;t have had Drmic or Srbenny as our "main strikers for a start (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 14:49:04
    - I'd take Drmic (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 3, 15:13:41
    - ok, let's assume that you had signed two 'other' strikers (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Jan 3, 14:55:49
      - You can;t prevent them being injured obviously but if you are going to run a small squad (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 14:58:43
        
        Is our squad actually any smaller than anyone else's? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:17:16
        
        Again Jim, where would the money come from to buy these players you want... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 3, 15:05:39
        
        We tried to buy someone for 15 mil on deadline day (NCFC) - Merryxmas, Jan 3, 15:34:07
        
        Weird how we are the only premier league team ever who has absolutely no money. (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 15:12:23
        
        We don't have absolutely no money (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 15:20:05
        
        Squad size determined by premier league + hone grown (n/m) (NCFC) - Kar1, Jan 3, 15:03:43
        
        We did not name a full 25 man squad. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 15:09:29
  - he's already said: "don't sign players who are injury prone" (NCFC) - CWC, Jan 3, 14:47:51
    - Drmic definitely injury prone. A dozen odd games in the last few years (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 3, 14:49:19
  - Indeed. And bearing in mind we only play one at a time (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 3, 14:33:41
- True it is ridiculous (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Jan 3, 14:29:44

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