The IFS is very good on this
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“The tax and benefit system is progressive overall. Before taxes and benefits, the highest-income fifth of individuals have an average household income that is 12 times as high as the poorest fifth. Adding all cash benefits and deducting the main direct personal taxes (income tax, employee and employer NICs and council tax) brings this figure down to 5. Benefits account for around 80% of this reduction, while direct taxes account for 20%. Indirect taxes (VAT and excise duties) take up a roughly constant fraction of household budgets across the income distribution, on average.
“The top 1% of the adult population now pays well over a third of all income tax. Only 58% of adults are liable for income tax at all. And the top 1% even of those who do pay income tax have seen their share of total income tax payments rise from 25% to 30% since 2010 as policy reforms, particularly under the coalition, increased income tax for the best off while reducing it for those on more typical incomes.”
Lots of interesting international comparisons too. “ If the UK were to adopt the income tax and SSC rates of one of our higher-tax European neighbours, it might raise slightly more from the highest earners. But the big difference would be in the tax levied on the earnings of average workers. The average tax rate on median full-time earnings in the UK was 28% in 2016–17. This is much lower than it would be under the tax systems of the other countries shown in Figure 5, for which the average is 44%. Since 2016–17 (the year for which this analysis was undertaken), the income tax personal allowance has been increased more quickly than inflation, which will have further reduced income tax payments at the median in the UK.”
This is what annoys me about people who think they’re saintly for voting Labour. They want a bigger and better state (like in Europe) - but they want someone else to pay for it. Would they still vote for a European sized state sector if they had to pay 44% instead of 28%? I doubt it. Easy to be altruistic with other people’s money.
Posted By: Old Git on December 12th 2019 at 12:25:43
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- On the assumption Boris gets the majority.. (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Dec 12, 10:36:10
- As others have said, Starmer seems a good option (n/m) (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Dec 12, 12:21:56
- Step down. (General Chat) - tim berry, Dec 12, 12:02:59
- Anyone who can't win election when your opposition is Boris has to go. (n/m) (General Chat) - Rob NCFC, Dec 12, 10:49:04
- Step down... (General Chat) - wayne, Dec 12, 10:42:14
- Step down, obviously (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Dec 12, 10:36:41
- Step down , he's 70 FFS. (n/m) (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Dec 12, 11:27:32
- What direction/replacement would you prefer? (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Dec 12, 10:41:41
- A centre left leader (General Chat) - duke of york, Dec 12, 10:45:06
- I've been thinking of joining labour recently (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 12, 10:48:02
- That’s exactly why I joined after Corbyn was elected. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Dec 12, 11:02:35
- Why is he seen as so far left? (General Chat) - Dog, Dec 12, 10:55:20
- Nationalisation certainly isn’t extreme (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 12, 12:14:35
- Didn’t thatcher reduce the top rate of tax significantly? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 10:58:49
- 83% I think (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 12, 11:13:17
- (She cut it to 60% more or less straight away (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 12, 11:14:59
- She thought cutting basic rate a higher priority, from memory (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 12, 12:06:53
- (She cut it to 60% more or less straight away (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 12, 11:14:59
- Ah ok. (General Chat) - Dog, Dec 12, 11:11:28
- A fundamental requirement of a tax system is that its fair (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 11:17:59
- I Kind of agree but if it's shared out 'fairly' how do you make sure it's really fair? (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 12, 11:48:38
- Tax the land (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 12, 12:35:38
- I think by either having a high tax system, or not a high tax system (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 12:02:50
- Bring back betting tax (General Chat) - duke of york, Dec 12, 11:51:17
- No. (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 12, 11:37:19
- This isn’t the point I’m making - I’m talking about relativity within a system (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 12:04:26
- The IFS is very good on this (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 12, 12:25:43
- Thanks OG - this is exactly what I was getting at (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 13:01:30
- The IFS is very good on this (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 12, 12:25:43
- This isn’t the point I’m making - I’m talking about relativity within a system (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 12:04:26
- I Kind of agree but if it's shared out 'fairly' how do you make sure it's really fair? (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 12, 11:48:38
- A fundamental requirement of a tax system is that its fair (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 11:17:59
- 83% I think (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 12, 11:13:17
- I've been thinking of joining labour recently (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 12, 10:48:02
- Thornberry is going to be right in there fighting to be leader (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 12, 10:44:13
- Rebecca Long-Bailey is apparently the favourite. (General Chat) - Rob NCFC, Dec 12, 11:04:06
- She is a disaster not as bad as Dianne Abbot. Has to be Starmer doesnt it? Only credible 1 (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary, Dec 12, 12:34:57
- I have an irrational dislike of her smile (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 12, 11:03:52
- Sounds like ideal PM material in this age (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 12, 10:56:31
- Yes, she’s Labour’s Boris in some ways (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 12, 11:01:36
- Rebecca Long-Bailey is apparently the favourite. (General Chat) - Rob NCFC, Dec 12, 11:04:06
- A centre left leader (General Chat) - duke of york, Dec 12, 10:45:06
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