There's been some interesting

Comment and research recently about the shift in attitudes amongst the (relatively) young about (away from) valuing 'freedom' and 'liberty'and towards 'security'. Makes me feel concerned about the future shape of our political systems.

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If for example we were all to state our top 3 most important political values, I'd put liberty at or very near the top. But I wonder whether that's an increasingly unfashionable view?

I wonder too whether it's fundamentally connected with 'gut' views of the EU.

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Posted By: paulg on August 15th 2019 at 14:40:10

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Be interested to know how much people believe in western democracy now? Because it s (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 12:40:07
- There's been some interesting (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 15, 14:40:10
  - A lot of those policy “think tanks” who produce those surveys have very specific agendas. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 15, 15:07:36
    - This (General Chat) - Sellbydave, Aug 15, 15:25:17
      - Yeah,not being funny but when you get to my age you know that. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 15:41:44
        
        Duly noted! (n/m) (General Chat) - Sellbydave, Aug 15, 16:07:19
- democracy? (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Aug 15, 13:11:29
  - Oh and Tory MPs claiming expenses to clean their moat and heat their horse stables etc. (n/m) (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Aug 15, 13:18:24
  - Oh and the mainstream news media is mostly most foreign owned (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Aug 15, 13:13:35
    - Yep. Democracy can be easily bought. (General Chat) - megson, Aug 15, 13:42:23
      - Voice of reason. 😘💛💚💛🔰 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 14:10:52
    - Agreed Larrald,things are fucked up. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:25:39
    - This particularly. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Aug 15, 13:25:31
  - Sounds like a dinner party round at your place. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 15, 13:13:16
- well that's the thing about democracy... (General Chat) - mr carra, Aug 15, 12:50:20
  - Ill informed electorates = shit governments.No,the point I was trying to make (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:02:49
    - By. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:03:15
  - and it also (General Chat) - Moritz Moutarde, Aug 15, 12:58:42
    - my word (General Chat) - Moritz Moutarde, Aug 15, 12:59:39
      - That's a fair point,but continuing mass immigration whilst we don't have enough house (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:07:40
        
        stopping councils from replacing their stock sold under right to buy is the fucking idiocy (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 15, 13:21:02
        
        Agreed. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:26:50
        
        Mind you, those immigrants are building most of the new houses we do have! (General Chat) - mr carra, Aug 15, 13:21:00
        
        And another thing,you're right about the people building houses I think,it's (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:37:40
        
        It's both.mostly governmental but as I've said it's only a certain group (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:33:49
        
        Your first mistake is to equate Tom Watson to the views of the Labour party (General Chat) - Dog, Aug 15, 14:08:32
        
        It is a shame,I really liked Watson as well.I suppose Corbyn (who I thought (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 14:15:50
        
        Training people. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 15, 13:08:13

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