you realise that slower growth means we are worse off than we should be, right?

So that there is the answer to your "if you can specify exactly what will happen to ordinary people then we can have a debate" question.

Also the backstop isn't theoretical. It's what will happen in less than 2 years' time if we don't have a better answer to how to deal with the border. It's taken 2 years just to get to the starting line on that discussion.

Spoiler: there is no alternative to the border issue except for a customs union, and there is no way to keep NI the same as rUK without us all being subject to the same EU rules. The backstop is simply the first draft of what the future relationship looks like. It is the *minimum* the EU will agree to.

Posted By: CWC on March 28th 2019 at 17:09:02

Message Thread

MV3 coming back tomorrow (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 12:10:41
- What we need is another referendum! (General Chat) - Men without hats, Mar 28, 14:04:30
  - Which is essentially what May is doing with her proposed deal. (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Mar 28, 21:41:14
  - What do you do for a living mate? (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Mar 28, 15:23:13
    - What's it got to do with his job? (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 16:33:34
      - you realise that slower growth means we are worse off than we should be, right? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 28, 17:09:02
        
        But we haven't left yet? (General Chat) - neilo, Mar 28, 20:04:56
      - TBF no party won a majority, so no, they weren't voted in (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 16:49:46
        
        So the Tory's and labour didn't have the majority of the seats (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 16:57:26
        
        the referendum was a single issue vote, a vote in the general election isn't a single (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 28, 17:07:49
        
        Tony Blair's labour party promised a vote,but he obviously waited (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 17:31:52
        
        Yes, the government have admitted in court that if the referendum was binding (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 28, 17:59:18
        
        Well,as I said before, certain people who believe in free thinking (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 18:07:51
      - continued.. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 16:36:51
        
        I think if you ask a doctor, he will explain to you (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 16:43:04
        
        That is such a terrible analogy (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 16:51:50
        
        it's not an analogy, it's an example of what will happen (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 28, 17:24:45
    - nothing "ordinary" about the people who post on here (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 28, 15:27:38
      - I think before someone spiked the nations water supply in 2016 (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 15:43:40
      - ✅ (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 15:29:49
  - How's that Fartrage march from Sunderland going? (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 14:55:38
    - We will leave though..and I'm soo sorry you'll have to wait a few more hours in departure (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 15:07:24
      - It's a concern. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 15:17:52
        
        Sorry,I've Bern diagnosed with having OCCD. (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 15:23:06
        
        Genuinely hope they manage to find a cure for you. (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 15:29:37
        
        And honestly jesus, either get a European passport or start wearing nappies. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 16:03:13
        
        Many true words are spoken in jest proth (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 16:09:47
        
        Honestly, I was going post how many people live differently to you (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 16:19:01
        
        You don't know how I live. But genuinely, I can't understand why you are so determined (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 16:27:28
        
        Oh look, dunney yet again reducing a complex decision (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 16:39:49
        
        Hiya Basie (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 16:56:53
        
        You're a strange one strappers knows you.You're amazingly one (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 17:16:05
        
        The 1% Stuff fucking horseshit ,Go and live on the Heartsease,or North Lynn (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 16:37:25
        
        Facepalm (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 28, 16:56:12
        
        Fistface (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 16:58:31
        
        They'll probably suffer the most (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 28, 16:22:12
        
        Yep, it'll all be fine (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 28, 16:05:36
        
        What have you got to lose then bud? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 16:11:11
        
        You're right we will run out.😯😆😆 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 16:01:36
  - You have got what you wanted (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 28, 14:28:49
    - Let's clarify, The UK people are not the embarrassment (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 16:44:17
      - Errr, agreed. Not sure why you thought I meant otherwise (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 28, 16:45:36
        
        "You have got what you wanted"? (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 28, 17:03:52
        
        He got what he wanted, a leave majority in the referendum. (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 28, 18:49:06
  - Never reply to me again you cunt (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 14:23:07
    - Well well well...😆😆😆,I'm not sure about this dude,but this is funny because you've bee (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 14:33:49
      - ? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 14:42:24
        
        ? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 14:46:18
- "What would you like for tea?" asked Mrs Bercow (General Chat) - MIKEWALKER, Mar 28, 13:37:35
  - I liked her in Big Brother. (n/m) (General Chat) - Huge Small, Mar 28, 14:04:10
  - Sally hmm (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Mar 28, 13:55:29
- It’s not MV3 (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 28, 13:01:26
  - Yep initial reports incorrect (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 13:39:39
    - This just in,initial reports suggest SCC is a c (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 14:43:09
      - Just been confirmed on sky (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 14:44:27
        
        😉😋👍 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 14:52:46
  - ideots (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 28, 13:28:35
    - At least we have this (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 28, 13:38:14
      - that is very funny (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 28, 14:01:25
        
        i'm suprised you say that about him, (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 28, 14:05:18
        
        Cease and desist Mr Scrampton.🙂 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 28, 14:45:45
        
        Haha (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 14:23:38
        
        Bone or Bercow? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 28, 14:04:19
        
        Bercow .. sometime right; always insufferable (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 28, 15:28:08
        
        That sticker (General Chat) - Cannydc, Mar 28, 15:46:34
        
        terrific blubbing there (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 28, 15:41:58
        
        here u go (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 28, 15:54:08
        
        cheers for that 👍 (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 28, 16:08:28
        
        I'm loving the way he trolls the "Government". Serves Treeza right for trying to cut (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Mar 28, 14:11:49
      - if only it were set to Ode to Joy (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 28, 13:55:09
- Don't worry, Joe will save us....Idles tonight LCR...Badabing! (n/m) (General Chat) - BSE Canary, Mar 28, 12:57:35
- Question is (General Chat) - Cannydc, Mar 28, 12:30:27
  - UNLOCK!!!! CLEAR THE LOBBIES!!!! And shit like that (n/m) (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Mar 28, 13:19:27
  - It doesn’t appear to be a meaningful vote - just a vote 🤔 (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 12:47:05
- All the snakes gonna vote it through then?! (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Mar 28, 12:27:59
  - Numbers don’t seem to be there (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 28, 12:47:52

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