May's in an incredibly tough place, though
Chequers isn't nearly enough for the hardline Brexit wing of her party. This is a not insignificant proportion of all Tories. And yet it's probably too much for the EU. It's not at all clear to me that there is a deal to be done that
a) Barnier can sell to the EC/EP/Council, AND
b) May can sell to her own party
(naively you might hope for c) May can sell to the country but we all know that's irrelevant now - I'd love a second vote but I don't see it happening).
There is a fundamental issue in that Leave did not spell out any kind of vision - because they didn't share one, and within the Leave side there were and are all kinds of views on what an "acceptable Brexit" looks like. "Brexit means Brexit" was always meaningless guff.
It's one thing to say "there was a majority for Brexit" but I genuinely don't believe at any time there was an actual concrete view of what Brexit really means that would have attracted majority support.
Full disclosure - I'm a Remainer - but no-one can think the negotiations have been handled competently from our side. They've royally bollocksed it up. However even if they'd done brilliantly I still think a majority would be disappointed with what came out the other end: none of the remainers would like it, and a lot of the leavers wouldn't either.
This is why letting May remain PM for a time is a wise move as she will carry a massive can of s**t around all this - any new PM would not be able to avoid same and would suffer at the next election.
Posted By: Old Man on September 13th 2018 at 16:02:13
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- Anyone booked a European holiday after March next year (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 13, 15:34:00
- Nah going long haul (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Sep 14, 00:07:19
- Not booked as just busk it, but thinking about a road (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 13, 20:19:40
- Haha. Yes *wibble face * (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Sep 13, 18:46:28
- In that event it would also apply to Europeans in the UK (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Sep 13, 16:46:54
- Erm that would be the result in them failing to negotiate (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 13, 17:00:07
- its in no ones interest for everything to come to a sudden halt (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 13, 15:40:13
- Stupid decision to vote leave...based on immigration and no more (n/m) (General Chat) - CROYDONCANARY, Sep 13, 16:29:23
- Come on get real , it's was about 'all these foreigners'. (n/m) (General Chat) - CROYDONCANARY, Sep 13, 17:20:24
- Wages, services, housing, fishing, subsiding of other nations (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Sep 13, 16:49:24
- How is leaving the EU going to be good for wages?? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 13, 19:11:16
- idiot (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 13, 20:02:39
- How is leaving the EU going to be good for wages?? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 13, 19:11:16
- Indeed seems crazy that they can’t reach a deal (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 13, 15:44:21
- not really (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 13, 15:54:01
- well I don't know what business negotiations you lead (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 13, 18:53:41
- That would be fine (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 13, 16:15:39
- May's in an incredibly tough place, though (General Chat) - Old Man, Sep 13, 16:02:13
- She was either naive or stupid to take the job. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Sep 13, 17:22:02
- didn't you see the other candidates? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 13, 18:54:47
- ego (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 13, 17:57:53
- She was either naive or stupid to take the job. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Sep 13, 17:22:02
- not really (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 13, 15:54:01
- Stupid decision to vote leave...based on immigration and no more (n/m) (General Chat) - CROYDONCANARY, Sep 13, 16:29:23
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