who knows
Not all countries will have seen the same advice. Let’s assume it came from the US – there is intel they will not share with anyone else; there is intel they will share with the UK but no-one else, there is intel they will share with Five Eyes countries and no-one else, or NATO and no-one else, etc etc etc. Each intelligence agency then has to analysse what has been shared and draw their own conclusions (which my be more or less risk adverse than the US conclusions, based on their own information).
Delta may or may not be ‘safe’ – but perhaps the US risk assessment is acceptable for those airlines based on their knowledge of their security practices and how many air marshals are on each flight. Perhaps the intel is actually very specific to certain airlines/countries but the US is less bothered about upsetting local governments by having such a targeted ban.
Different countries and different airlines and different airports will have different levels of security measures and different countries will have different risk assessments of those security measures.
Maybe connecting flights are deemed less of a risk given the additional security measures that they'd have to go through in transit. Maybe they are deliberately leaving open certain routes to monitor what the reaction is from whoever it is that they are monitoring.
Maybe it's all utter guesswork based on dodgy intelligence and there is no threat at all, and what we are seeign is each country's best guess.
TBH I don’t know (and don’t particularly care) why the approaches are seemingly rather inconsistent, but the idea that it’s some form of US economic warfare seems rather remoter than all of the other possibilities.
I know it's Trump that's in charge, but come on. The antipathy between him and the intelligence agencies is obvious - if it was a made up ploy we would get all sorts of leaks and rebuttals.
Posted By: CWC on March 22nd 2017 at 13:29:39
Message Thread
- so this here Merkin Flying Laptop Ban - it only applies to specific airports and airlines? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 09:57:23
- Clearly they have some intel and are sending a message. (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 22, 12:07:02
- clearly the UK are sending a message to different people and in some cases countries too (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 12:10:26
- this ban is so riddled with holes it is utterly ridiculous - but why have the UK joined in (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 10:22:28
- and why is Canada considering it? and other European countries? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 22, 11:01:29
- ^^^ Predictable, or what ^^^^^ (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 22, 11:10:40
- Is it possible they know something we don't? (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 22, 12:08:10
- ...is clearly the sensible explanation! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 12:31:16
- well duh, obviously they haven't told us *everything* - that doesn't mean it is sensible (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 12:43:13
- None of us knows, there's usually a very good reason for this type of precaution.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 12:48:26
- lolf, yeah righto... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 13:02:02
- Better safe than sorry. Rather this than do nothing, then there's an incident (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 15:52:50
- lolf, yeah righto... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 13:02:02
- None of us knows, there's usually a very good reason for this type of precaution.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 12:48:26
- well duh, obviously they haven't told us *everything* - that doesn't mean it is sensible (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 12:43:13
- ...is clearly the sensible explanation! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 12:31:16
- Is it possible they know something we don't? (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 22, 12:08:10
- so why is Delta safe? assuming Canada and other EU countries have seen the same advise, (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 11:10:29
- who knows (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 22, 13:29:39
- don't get me wrong - i'm not saying that economic factors are the one reason alone (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 13:36:52
- ah fair enough (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 22, 13:38:03
- no need (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 13:43:50
- ah fair enough (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 22, 13:38:03
- don't get me wrong - i'm not saying that economic factors are the one reason alone (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 13:36:52
- Possibly dont have flights to the states; Algiers to NY hardly sounds likely? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 12:10:22
- so it's a threat that mysteriously disappears if a connecting flight needs to be taken? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 12:25:37
- Potentially yes, different airports in different countries equals.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 12:29:30
- blue (n/m) (General Chat) - the Tilt Man, Apr 1, 18:40:56
- Potentially yes, different airports in different countries equals.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Mar 22, 12:29:30
- so it's a threat that mysteriously disappears if a connecting flight needs to be taken? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 22, 12:25:37
- who knows (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 22, 13:29:39
- ^^^ Predictable, or what ^^^^^ (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 22, 11:10:40
- Why have we followed Trump? (General Chat) - APB, Mar 22, 10:44:51
- and why is Canada considering it? and other European countries? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 22, 11:01:29
- Clearly they have some intel and are sending a message. (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 22, 12:07:02
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