Hmm ...

I'm inclined to agree with you about Izzy.

Jason Lee is a weird one though - the Chesterfield fans recently voted him their worst-ever player (long after he ditched the haircut). Plenty of players do seem to carry on playing for years at a decent level despite not looking good to anyone (Carl Leaburn, off the top of my head).

Football is a relatively (I stress relatively) black and white thing, compared to (say) pop music - if, for example, a striker continually f**ks up when through on goal, he isn't very good. Watch the Fantasy Football League sketch that ruined Lee's career again and you'll see what I mean.

Most of his career has been played in the lower leagues - he had a brief stint in the top flight and got caught out, much like Akinbiyi or Zamora or Beckford - different attributes get you goals in the lower leagues than in the Prem, and generally these are physical rather than technical ones.

The haircut was a stick to beat Lee with because he played so poorly - Beckham gets away with silly haircuts, and Chris Waddle wasn't destroyed by the stick he took for his (or that song) because he was, actually, pretty skilful.

Of course, there's still plenty of room for opinion - that's what makes it great - but if someone constantly screws up, they're s**t - it's not that hard to spot. Read Nick Hornby's passage on Gus Caesar in 'Fever Pitch', he probably wrote that when he wasn't as tired as I am now, and it explains how and why players are written off by fans much better than I just did ...

Posted By: Ottosson Foxtrot on May 30th 2005 at 03:12:03

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Man thought you Brits were Up for a debate (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:03:01
- A debate... (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:05:39
  - So Ash, Same question I asked SCC and Alan (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:22:26
    - You a newbie Ash? A Gloryhunter? Cmon then (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:31:01
      - What the fook has.. (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:34:18
        
        ROFL I was gonna guess you was 23 (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:40:03
        
        i thought you knew more about norwich then me? (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 02:45:33
        
        didn't you ask who scored the first ever prem goal (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:52:25
        
        blub (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 26, May 30, 03:19:15
        
        he said he wanted to be tested on his "knowledge of english football (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 02:54:00
        
        who scored the 1000 goal in the prem? (n/m) (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:57:48
        
        i never asked to be questioned.. (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 03:06:02
        
        I like this post a lot (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:44:28
        
        i can never tell when you are serious or not lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 02:46:51
        
        tis a fair enough response (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:54:54
        
        never said it wasn't a fair response... (n/m) (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 02:56:11
        
        you questioned my tone of (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 03:00:56
        
        sorry (n/m) (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 03:04:31
        
        I could say... (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:44:13
        
        Not You Personally (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:48:44
        
        i agree.... (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 03:07:03
        
        It's far to early to be talking about Norwich! (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 03:00:56
        
        crazy stuff (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:56:50
        
        I'm talking about for City Gus (n/m) (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:58:14
        
        Yes well... (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:52:20
        
        your views are wrong (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 02:51:45
        
        hahahahaahahahaahahahhaahaha (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:46:49
      - Hope youre a longer time supporter than them (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:32:42
        
        Fukin Newbie (n/m) (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:34:02
        
        come on old timer (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 02:36:11
  - So make your points (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:07:47
    - His kicking was woeful (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:12:29
      - what complete drivel that turned out to be (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:14:13
    - Ok then I'll make mine (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:11:27
      - I like the way it's suddenly acceptable (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:18:08
        
        told you oregonandy, totally went in out of one ear and out the other (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:19:49
        
        btw... (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:19:18
        
        So Sven (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:20:59
        
        You're kidding me... (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:24:18
        
        or maybe the fact that he did fuck all wrong this season for man city (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:29:48
        
        Lol, Jason Lee was rubbish though. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 30, 03:00:37
        
        but you can't comprehend whether he'd have gone on to (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 03:05:07
        
        Hmm ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 30, 03:12:03
        
        a bit deep for the time of morning wasn't it? lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 03:14:49
        
        I keep very strange hours ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 30, 03:15:32
        
        lol...would explain it (n/m) (NCFC) - Alan, May 30, 03:17:19
        
        Name one (NCFC) - oregonandy, May 30, 02:25:34
        
        for me, the question is, name one appearance for England (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:31:44
        
        Let me turn it around on you... (NCFC) - Ashton4England, May 30, 02:29:47
      - no chance of that registering (NCFC) - Gus Poyet 26, May 30, 02:17:50

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