How did last years team overachieve? Lambert's core squad had a previous similar finish

and players such as Garrido, Turner, Bassong and Bunn have played in the prem before. I don't buy that argument at all. If you finish mid table twice you're not overachieving. This is the season when we have made the most squad changes and spent the most money yet we're struggling more than at any previous time since 2011, that should be telling.

Posted By: Common Sense Police on November 3rd 2013 at 01:30:28

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The support for the manager far more infuriating (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 3, 00:18:37
- What was embarrassing was the fact that there (NCFC) - Mozzer, Nov 3, 10:01:32
- pathetic (NCFC) - sotoncanary, Nov 3, 07:25:08
- Like when we lost 0-6 to them under Lambert? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 00:28:15
  - We lost 6-1 and the crowd stayed behind and clapped every player off (NCFC) - wolfio, Nov 3, 00:38:49
    - Exactly, we were well in the game until the final 20 minutes. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:42:31
  - With a newly promoted side, many of who were playing league one and champs football before (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:31:17
    - Really? Who of today's players cost a fortune? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 00:32:52
      - ?30 million net spend, on top of the good players Lambert had. Don't play dumb... (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:34:13
        
        To be honest we do have one of the lowest squad values (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 3, 00:38:28
        
        What are these valuations based on? Unless it's what we have spent in the past three years (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:41:01
        
        Market transfer valuation (n/m) (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 3, 00:53:23
        
        What's that, some bollcoks website with made up values? Or is it what we've actually spent (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:03:31
        
        Transfer valuation of players should they be sold (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 3, 01:07:19
        
        Which means absolutely nothing at all! Just fantasy football esque nonsense. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:11:45
        
        Numbers might be off but amazing how closely market (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 3, 01:14:35
        
        So if we have spent more than teams above us irl, what does that suggest? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:18:12
        
        Means we probably overachieved last year (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 3, 01:26:34
        
        How did last years team overachieve? Lambert's core squad had a previous similar finish (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:30:28
        
        Hanging onto our spending as a massive purse, when in reality, it's only the same as the (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 00:47:35
        
        Agree to a point, BUT (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 00:52:10
        
        I actually think he deserves to be on thin ice now. 10 games is good a run (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 00:56:06
        
        No one is anmgery at the result, or the idea of conceding 4 or 5 (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:02:18
        
        Not when one is against the current champions (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 01:09:24
        
        Yes because United were brilliant before they played us, wren't they? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:14:30
        
        Lose 1-0, or lose 7-0, it amounts to the same thing (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 01:20:15
        
        No it doesn't. Goal difference is a factor when we're struggling so much (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:25:39
        
        Maybe in a purely statistical world, yes. Add emotion and confidence to it? A mile apart. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 01:22:07
        
        It really is. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 01:05:54
        
        If we get a point at least next week, it will prove something people should really (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 01:10:28
        
        It's worrying if we have to cling onto the idea of drawing vs whu at home (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:33:13
        
        We *sometimes* do, based on this season so far... (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 01:12:18
        
        *angry (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:02:54
        
        it's the manner of the performance more than anything today (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:58:11
        
        I'm surprised this becomes a new thing to some people (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 01:02:23
        
        Did you watch the game/highlights. Complete capitulation. (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 01:04:51
        
        fail to beat West Ham and I think that is it. (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:56:06
        
        Yes, agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 01:04:22
        
        Lose to West Ham and I agree (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 01:00:22
        
        It is when we're in the position we're in currently (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:05:47
        
        Draw not good enough pants, we probably need 9-10 (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 3, 01:05:40
        
        I was also pissed of when we failed to beat Cardiff (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:51:02
        
        You were pissed off that we didn't beat a team that spent ?40m in the summer (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 01:05:29
        
        They spent ?27 million which was a little more than us, plus we had (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:20:05
        
        Net spenders really means nothing though does it. Really. (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 00:54:46
        
        It does, because you lose quality and have to replace it. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:59:25
        
        Yeah it's strikers I'm thinking about really. We've recouped nothing from (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 01:03:46
        
        The players that Swansea lost had a big impact... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:22:05
        
        10, 15... (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 01:29:10
        
        ...and who decided to swap Becchio for Morison? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:34:41
        
        Man City squad value around 450 million, us about 80 (n/m) (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 3, 00:57:24
        
        You just implied that today's players were nothing like the ones under Lambert (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 00:35:56
        
        Also i don't know what the fuck you're going on about... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:42:00
        
        Lambert's squad was a team of relatively young players from the lower leagues (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:37:32
        
        Yeah they're nothing like Lambert's players, they had some character at least! (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:37:24
        
        not really, Hughton actually has closer games than Lambert against Man City (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 00:44:12
        
        That's a ridiculous stance to take. Are you suggesting that Man City are better now (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:48:28
        
        Because they had a new manager coming in who was implementing his ideas (NCFC) - pants, Nov 3, 00:51:55
        
        Only the end of the season will prove whether you're correct on that (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:55:48
        
        Thing is, it really wasn't like the lambert games. (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:46:30
        
        Exactly. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:48:48
        
        Yeah, today was like Lambert v Sunderland (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 00:48:18
        
        very true, he looked ill that day, and the team played that way. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:51:13
- Agreed (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:22:51
  - Utter Tosh.......... (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 3, 00:47:54
    - Explain (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:06:48
      - Yellalee already did........ (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 3, 01:12:36
        
        ...and I put that argument straight to bed. Don't take the conversation out of context. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:16:11
  - 'Given Infinite patience' - by whom? (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 00:31:43
    - A particular group of fans who think he can do no wrong and blame other circumstances (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:36:03
      - But this is it, I don't think they think everything is fine... (NCFC) - Yellalee, Nov 3, 00:41:19
        
        Eh? SCC made a point about some people being annoying in that way (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:08:04
    - Wasn't that a Delia comment about Worthington? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:32:35
      - Yes indeed, and we all know that Worthy was here too long... (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:37:59
- Will you want McNally out if he doesn't sack hughton? (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 3, 00:21:31
  - If they both lead us to relegation (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 3, 00:28:15
  - At least McNally has credit in the bank from saving the club from administration (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:24:59
    - he also helped us towards staying in the prem with his choice of Hughton as manager. (n/m) (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 3, 00:30:20
      - Well we stayed up so definitely, hence why he hasn't fucked up yet. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 01:08:39
    - Harsh to call Hughton a mistake... (NCFC) - mr chimp, Nov 3, 00:27:11
      - Did I say he has made a mistake yet? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:29:02
        
        Fair enough. Not trying to pick a fight. (n/m) (NCFC) - mr chimp, Nov 3, 00:33:46
      - Yeah, was manager of the year iirc. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Nov 3, 00:28:24
- I saw enough in the last few games (not today) to warrant a chance for Hughton (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:21:04
  - Isn't that the bare minimum you would expect with the money invested this season? (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:23:40
    - Lots of teams have invested big cash. Somehow beat the hammers and newcastle (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:27:34
      - We have the fifteenth biggest net spend in Europe, apparently. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Nov 3, 00:30:24
        
        and if we win next weekend at home to the hammers we are mid table (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:31:51
      - or not top half actually. But still, we are not cut adrift by any stretch (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:29:30
  - Rubbish, Cardiff and Stoke aside we've been fucking useless (n/m) (NCFC) - Hulk Rules, Nov 3, 00:23:29
    - and southampton and everton.... That is 4 of the 10 teams (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 3, 00:26:42
      - so you think scoring precisely 0 goals (NCFC) - Ghost Ship Belly, Nov 3, 01:59:54

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