condoning the use of chemical weapons on a civpop is a slippery slope though
1) There's the ethics/moral issues around whether the international community should turn a blind eye to the use of chemical weapons on a civilian populace. Assuming the West releases the intel that proves Assad's forces were responsible, it would be morally repugnant for the UN to not do anything. Given the UN doesn't have a great track record in things, morally I think that leaves NATO, the EU, and the rest of the civilised world to step up to the plate. I'm not sure there's much point in having things like the UN if it doesn't actually act when things like this happen.
Then there's the lesser reasons...
2) As a point of principle, NATO has always equated the use of chemical weapons with the use of other weapons of mass destruction in terms of its stated 'red lines' - ie a chemical attack is treated on a par with a nuclear attack in terms of seriousness. That was always the line during the Cold War and used as the basis of planning by both the West and Russia If we start eroding that principle, then the deterrent effect is lost and we will start to see more and more use of chemical weapons. Granted it's never likely to bother you or me, but there are Governments out there who would see it as an attractive choice of weapon on their own people.
3) The West (France, UK, USA) has been sabre rattling for so long that our bluff has been called. We either step up and make good on the rhetoric about red lines, or we back down, lose 'face', and pretty much admit to Syria, Iran, N Korea etc that if you have the means to defend yourself, then when push comes to shove, the West won't act. I think on balance that that would be a bad thing - although its a shame that we've backed otuselves into that corner over Syria.
4) If Syria is out of the picture, Hezbollah loses its main backer and supply lines and will be seriously weakened. The US and Israel would quite like that.
5) Syria is Russia's access to the Mediterranean and the only friendly port for the Black Sea Fleet in the Med. I suspect NATO would quite like that to not be the case.
6) France sees Syria as part of its sphere of influence due to historical ex-colonial reasons, the UK is recently pretty desperate to show that the UK & France can work well together internationally and without having to take the USA's lead all the time. It has generally been France and the UK that has made the running on Syria in terms of the public rhetoric, the USA has been less gung-ho on this one to date.
Everything hinges on point #1. Points #2 to #6 are why the US, UK & France have been pushing it and why they are keen to press the importance of #1.
I'd rather we left the lot well alone, but if Assad has used chemical weapons then the international community has a duty to act (unfortunately) and unfortunately the UK/France/USA will use #1 as the pretext to go further than absolutely necessary in the pursiut of some of #2 to #6.
Posted By: CWC on August 28th 2013 at 15:31:55
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- Is there a ban on talking about the impending WW3 in Syria? (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 14:04:26
- i am no tory supporter but arent they writing (NCFC) - sotoncanary, Aug 28, 14:28:07
- They know they won;t get a UN resolution. They appear to be doing it so they can (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 15:15:08
- Ah, "The Blair tactic" (NCFC) - Sellbydave, Aug 28, 16:53:46
- They know they won;t get a UN resolution. They appear to be doing it so they can (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 15:15:08
- He's damned if he attacks damned if he doesn't and sits back letting the genocide continue (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 28, 14:27:40
- Huh? Genocide? Genocide will happen if Assad is removed (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 28, 17:34:06
- It's happening now Steve. Thousands have died. (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 28, 18:28:54
- Who will damn them for not getting involved? (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 15:16:48
- I certainly would. Thousands of innocent people are being exterminated through the use of (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 28, 15:59:50
- condoning the use of chemical weapons on a civpop is a slippery slope though (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 28, 15:31:55
- No one got involved in Halabja when gas was used back in the mid 80's... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Aug 28, 16:38:14
- Yes but the point is we seem hell bent on acting without even (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 15:40:12
- We have sent inspectors out there to find out if it was Assad. We haven't jumped to any (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 28, 16:01:18
- We haven't. The UN have. We have proposed a UN resolution that (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 16:20:54
- the resolution will be a sop to the Lib Dems (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 28, 16:26:35
- We haven't. The UN have. We have proposed a UN resolution that (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 16:20:54
- We have sent inspectors out there to find out if it was Assad. We haven't jumped to any (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 28, 16:01:18
- Huh? Genocide? Genocide will happen if Assad is removed (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 28, 17:34:06
- Hague has been bursting to scrap with Syria for some reason. (NCFC) - harry boulders, Aug 28, 14:17:09
- Got to do something when the gus and gals come back from Afghanistan next year. (NCFC) - trustsec, Aug 28, 15:53:17
- There is that I spose. (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 28, 14:17:55
- Why do we aways have to be involved like we were still a big world power? Why can't we (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 28, 14:13:23
- yes much better to ignore world events (NCFC) - sotoncanary, Aug 28, 14:30:48
- Godwin's law strikes again.... (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Aug 28, 15:02:52
- We did for 10 years untill we were threatened (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 28, 14:40:44
- Agreed. If only. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 14:15:00
- yes much better to ignore world events (NCFC) - sotoncanary, Aug 28, 14:30:48
- i am no tory supporter but arent they writing (NCFC) - sotoncanary, Aug 28, 14:28:07
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