my argument is that he's an average Prem player

that makes him Prem class.

Further to my (controversial, I'll admit) argument is that our players possibly aren't capable of scoring a goal like that because they are essentially Championship-class. As an attacking player it is the ability to score goals like Agbonlahor's that make you a Prem class player. We don't have that (hence our reliance on set pieces - we don't set out deliberately to score from set pieces instead of from open play, we just aren't proving capable scoring from open play)

Posted By: mr carra on May 7th 2013 at 16:20:41

Message Thread

My 2 pennies' worth (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, May 7, 15:16:56
- While I think you've made some good points (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 15:29:09
  - I think that opening game thrashing at Fulham ... (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 15:34:23
    - In what sense? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 15:42:11
      - Much as I liked Tierney and Fox last season (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 7, 15:51:39
        
        Tierney 1 leahues start, Fox 2 league subs... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 15:55:47
        
        I'm not judging them, I already know they're both very good, but their (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 7, 15:59:21
        
        We are bloody lucky you were not judging Turner. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 17:32:38
        
        Very much this, apparently it doesn't matter how they played though (n/m) (NCFC) - mrleelee, May 7, 16:31:46
        
        They didn't really play at all, that's the point. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:35:08
        
        So why can't it just be down to what the manager sees in training? (NCFC) - mrleelee, May 7, 16:37:55
        
        Because they don't fit into his sytem (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:50:51
        
        If that's the case then Turner should'nt have played another league game after Liverpool (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:06:11
        
        you can't give everyone a run of games though, there are too many players (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 16:13:30
        
        We have not even played the same First XI (aside from the injured Ruddy) since.... (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 17:37:18
        
        Garrido has been terrible since December (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:20:56
        
        obviously, just saying that Hughton probably doesn't think that way (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 7, 16:10:20
        
        Thanks for backing up my point (intentionally or not) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:14:49
        
        oh I agree with that of course. Maybe there's some other reason (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 7, 16:20:41
        
        Exactly (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:25:36
        
        with hindsight no, perhaps it wasn't worth changing the system (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 7, 16:32:22
        
        My issue with the system is that we sit sooooo deep (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:41:34
        
        I thought Tierney was poor (defensively) last season (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 16:21:32
        
        he was our best player pre injury which kept him out for the majority of the season (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 17:34:15
        
        the ease with which Royston Drenthe (?) beat him (NCFC) - MIKEWALKER, May 7, 16:35:43
        
        Again, this is cherry picking one or two incidents (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:45:43
        
        Tierney's stats are almost identical to Garrido... (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 17:38:18
        
        Sorry pal, Tierney's shit and not on Garrido's level... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 17:43:03
        
        Royston Royston Drenthe (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, May 7, 16:40:31
        
        The general consesus on here was that he was one of our best players. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:27:13
        
        which presumably is why he hasn't been picked again (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 7, 16:26:42
      - Moro wasn't great though, he looked disinterested, and seemed to carry this on to Leeds... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, May 7, 15:50:25
        
        Obviously needs a good man manager to get him going then (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 15:56:30
        
        Or he needs to sort his stupidly bad attitude out and realise how lucky he is (n/m) (NCFC) - mrleelee, May 7, 16:29:51
        
        You could view it like that (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:33:00
        
        Well Millwall called him lazy and unmotivated most of the season (NCFC) - mrleelee, May 7, 16:36:21
        
        We had a good manager last season (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:47:44
        
        and he was poor in games last year, it wasn't a new thing this season... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, May 7, 16:53:50
        
        Still managed to score 9 prem goals... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 17:17:52
        
        and only 1 in 19 this season for us in the league... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, May 7, 17:27:04
        
        4 league starts.... + 15 5 minute cameos. whoop dee wooo (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 17:35:09
        
        Only had 4 league starts... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 17:30:36
        
        2 more than Becchio who replaced him. becchio hasn't even played 180 minutes footy (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 17:39:12
        
        Poor Hughton, using all of his resources and getting as much out of them as possible! (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 17:41:53
        
        Just seems like a lazy argument to me, "he needs a good manager to make him not lazy" (NCFC) - mrleelee, May 7, 16:51:10
        
        So you're saying those other managers are on Lambert's level? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:54:03
        
        If he worked as hard as he could; he'd still be playing for a Premier League team. (NCFC) - lurd, May 7, 17:11:02
        
        Yeah, I agree. Hence why he needs a good man manager. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 17:12:54
      - I didn't say he had used his resources well (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 15:48:48
        
        See, this is what I don't understand... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 15:53:26
        
        I just a lot of our players played above themselves last season (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 15:58:42
        
        Like I said, a lot look out of their depth because they're not being used correctly. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:02:57
        
        that's what I mean about Agbonlahor (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 16:08:08
        
        Nah, I'm not buying that (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:12:09
        
        and I could have probably saved that Snoddy shot, which he scuffed (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 16:22:51
        
        Thanks for backing up my point (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:43:32
        
        Oh come on, a scuff FFS? (NCFC) - lurd, May 7, 17:12:16
        
        It rolled past Bunn, fuckern hell! (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 17:24:28
        
        my argument is that he's an average Prem player (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 16:20:41
        
        He's not an average prem player, a record of 1 in 3 is an average prem player (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 16:31:53
- At last (NCFC) - Grans_Canary, May 7, 15:25:29
  - Huh? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, May 7, 16:36:15

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