Thought you may find this of interest...
GPs surgeries are privately run business which contract themselves to the NHS. This model has been in place from the inception of the NHS as it was unfeasible to buy out every GP surgery in the country and nationalise them. Each surgery gets paid a per capita rate for each patient on their list, for providing certain services (immunisations , smears etc) and , since the introduction of the new contract in 2004, a proportion of income is related to achieving certain targets regarding patient care (eg achieving blood pressure control in patients with high blood pressure). After practice outgoings such as staff pay , equipment , building expenses etc have been taken off the remaining 'profits' are distributed between the GP partners who own the business.
So a few points :
In the past most GPs were partners who owned a stake in the practice but increasingly many GPs are employed directly by the practice on a fixed salary. Whilst GP Partners saw an initial rise in their income in the early 2000's as a result of the new contract the majority of salaried GPs earn a wage which is comparable with the lower rate of senior hospital doctor pay.Talk of GP earnings mostly focuses on the income or Partners who only account for about half of GPs.
The initial increases in pay as a result of the 2004 contract have largely been whittled away over the past 7 years through changes to the contract, freezing of pay and rising practice expenses. Most GP surgeries have seen substantial falls in their income over the past few years whilst facing a large increase in workload.
The changes in the GP contract in 2004 was meant to reflect the shift of work from secondary care (hospitals and consultants) to primary care(GP surgeries) and the change from treating acute conditions to managing chronic conditions within an aging population. It was felt that GPs were well placed to provide this care as effectively, more cheaply for the NHS and more conveniently for patients compared to the secondary care model. I believe that British GPs are the only doctors in the world paid partly on the basis of results in the improvement of care.
GPs provide non-emergency care. GPs used to be given just over 6000 pounds per year per GP for organising cover for out of hours emergency care. In 2004 the government felt that large private providers would be able to provide this service more effectively and cheaply (hah!).This money was taken away from GPs and given to the Private providers who soon found out that GPs had been subsidising the service for years out of their own pockets and they quickly demanded more money. Somehow this was seen as the fault of GPs.
It is difficult to compare the incomes of GPs in France and the UK as they operate under different systems and provide very different services. As far as I'm aware most French GPs operate in single-handed or small practices with a very small practice team and a list size of less than half that of a UK GP. They are also not responsible for the management of as many chronic conditions as in the UK .
GP partners income has also been inflated by a neat accountancy trick played at the time of the new contract. GPs , although technically not directly employed by the NHS , have been entitled to join the NHS pension scheme. In the past the employers contribution to this scheme was paid directly by the NHS as for other NHS employees. After the new contract this money was paid directly to practices where it appears as profits so inflating the apparent income of GPs. GP partners pay 22% of their income into their pensions.If you are in a pension scheme at work imagine being told by your boss that your pay had increased by 10% only to find they were just recalculating your salary to include their contribution to your pension. Now imagine they told you that, as your salary had just increased by 10% you weren't going to get a pay rise for the next 7 years.
Despite media suggestions to the contrary GPs today see more patients and spend longer with each patient than they ever have done in the past. Most GPs do not earn anything like the figures quoted in the newspapers and the very very few that do earn very large salaries are entrepeneurial businessmen who oversee the running of multiple practices staffed by nurses and salaried doctors.
It is quite apparent that there was a media campaign , run from the Department of Health since 2005 to discredit GPs and turn the public against us in a bid to have leverage in negotiating future contracts and to allow large private providers into the NHS. Unfortunately this has been largely successfull.
Posted By: Vivid Data Shark on June 20th 2012 at 23:36:01
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- ?68K a year pensions for GPs, 80% paid by the tax payer. (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 21:50:21
- Doctors, Nurses, Paramedics all work around the clock to save and preserve life (General Chat) - theox, Jun 20, 22:34:25
- and ?68K a year is not a good pension? (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:37:56
- What happens if a doctor is struck off because of the neglect of the nurses and nhs? (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:42:03
- how does the size of a pension have anything to do with that? (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Jun 20, 22:44:06
- in Cuba, doctors, nurses and cleaners were all paid the same until a couple of years ago (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:45:17
- Go live there then (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:53:25
- Under socialism... no chance. As my other half who had to live under it says (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:54:56
- Which renders your comparison void now? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:56:09
- I thought the Cuban Health Service, where they don't even pay doctors a decent wage (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:57:52
- Gonna listen to some music now (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 23:07:38
- Enjoy the Kate Nash pants (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 23:14:12
- Gonna listen to some music now (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 23:07:38
- I thought the Cuban Health Service, where they don't even pay doctors a decent wage (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:57:52
- Which renders your comparison void now? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:56:09
- Under socialism... no chance. As my other half who had to live under it says (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:54:56
- that's nice (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Jun 20, 22:47:06
- After 50 years of salary equality ministers finally realised in 2008 that (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:50:28
- Go live there then (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:53:25
- in Cuba, doctors, nurses and cleaners were all paid the same until a couple of years ago (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:45:17
- I do get it, UK Doctors and Nurses are the 2nd best paid in the world (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:43:34
- Here are the figures... pre pension of course. (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:46:03
- how does the size of a pension have anything to do with that? (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Jun 20, 22:44:06
- What happens if a doctor is struck off because of the neglect of the nurses and nhs? (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:42:03
- ^this (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:37:26
- and ?68K a year is not a good pension? (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:37:56
- I have great admiration for doctors and what they do but (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 20, 22:33:55
- totally agree, but really with the way public sector pensions work (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 23:25:26
- pensions are deferred pay. i can never understand why people don't see that (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Jun 20, 22:36:14
- Don't be a cock (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:14:45
- it is what it is poopy pants (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:18:30
- drafted 2 responses now, but I've deleted both (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:25:59
- I can see it... as long as you are increasing the size of the population (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:32:59
- You talk like good doctors are under no pressure whatsoever, and can never be touch by the (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:36:18
- ?68,000 a year.. + they can invest more of their 100K salary in a money purchase scheme (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:40:00
- You talk like good doctors are under no pressure whatsoever, and can never be touch by the (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:36:18
- I can see it... as long as you are increasing the size of the population (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:32:59
- drafted 2 responses now, but I've deleted both (General Chat) - pants, Jun 20, 22:25:59
- it is what it is poopy pants (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:18:30
- go get it then (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Jun 20, 22:09:56
- not bright enough to be a doctor (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:13:25
- i think they are asking for what they signed up for to be honoured (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Jun 20, 22:33:50
- tough luck isn't it, that's the public sector (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:36:28
- tough luck? think i would see it as worse than that if it were me (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Jun 20, 22:37:15
- tough luck isn't it, that's the public sector (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:36:28
- Read the article you posted to the bottom... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 22:30:17
- absolutely, it's a shit (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:35:51
- I see you're drivng the new Ford Backtrack... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 22:39:26
- they were handed something that is now unaffordable (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:40:48
- So you agree they are not asking for more like you suggested... (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 22:50:12
- I was listing what they were being offered (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:51:54
- I refer you to this post.... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 22:57:00
- They are getting less than previously agreed by previous governments. (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 23:00:15
- Thought you may find this of interest... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 23:36:01
- I understand the situation with these unfunded schemes. (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 23:49:08
- Thought you may find this of interest... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 23:36:01
- They are getting less than previously agreed by previous governments. (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 23:00:15
- and can I just add, GB's removal ofta relief on pension dividends (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:53:33
- I refer you to this post.... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 22:57:00
- I was listing what they were being offered (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:51:54
- So you agree they are not asking for more like you suggested... (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 22:50:12
- they were handed something that is now unaffordable (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:40:48
- I see you're drivng the new Ford Backtrack... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jun 20, 22:39:26
- absolutely, it's a shit (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:35:51
- i think they are asking for what they signed up for to be honoured (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Jun 20, 22:33:50
- not bright enough to be a doctor (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 20, 22:13:25
- Doctors, Nurses, Paramedics all work around the clock to save and preserve life (General Chat) - theox, Jun 20, 22:34:25
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