The mysteries of football money
So McNasty tells us that promotion = a ?90m injection even if we go straight down again - pay off the debts, strengthen the squad, yadda yadda.
Makes it sound like a complete no-brainer
BUT - we've heard and done this before. We DID go up. We DID come straight back down again. And the result seemed to be that we were completely financially f**ked. We couldn't afford to buy a striker in the summer (Big Gary Pumperty was to be our target man, remember?) - Worthy said in that online interview that he pleaded for funds for Ashton and only got them in January. When we went down, many of our decent players left and were replaced with no-fee no-names. We stil had a debt - in fact it INCREASED.
Just read this stuff from Doomcaster and GumbyMunby explaining that promotion hasn't been the cure-all we all thought it was going to be ...
07 October 2005
Promotion doubled players' wage bill
Norwich City's player wage bill virtually doubled during the club's brief stay in the Premiership, it was revealed yesterday.
The rewards for reaching the top flight for the first time in nine years were vividly illustrated in the club's annual statement of accounts for the period ending May 31, 2005.
With a number of new stars coming in, and the existing players getting bonuses and improved contracts, the Canaries forked out around ?12.8m in an attempt to cling on to their hard-earned top-flight status - up from ?6.4m the previous season.
That huge outlay goes some way towards explaining why the club's net debt increased to ?18.5m at a time when turnover shot up from ?13.9m to a staggering ?37.4m.
Reaching the Premiership provided City's finances with a massive shot in the arm, of that there is no doubt. But it also forced them to spend money at a faster rate than ever before - and chief executive Neil Doncaster is adamant that they went about their business the right way, even though the huge rise in expenditure from ?19.7m to ?28.3m failed to produce the desired result.
?Our stated policy of prudence with ambition led the club to invest substantially in a number of areas last season,? he said. ?The board chose to make considerable investment, both in team strengthening and in infrastructure, to enhance the prospect of the business going forwards.
?The club made a very significant investment in players, both in transfer costs and wages. Those are the sort of costs we had to incur in order to try and give ourselves the best chance of staying in the Premiership.?
The increase in the club's wage bill was one of the most eye-catching figures in the new accounts, which have been sent out to shareholders this week.
In theory the Canaries made a profit after tax of ?7.7m during the 2004-5 campaign, thanks to a sharp increase in revenue, but that was described as an ?accounting quirk? by Doncaster, with the real figure being closer to ?700,000 once all the long-term expenditure has been taken into account.
The rich rewards for reaching the top flight are there for all to see - television income of ?18.4m, increased gate receipts of ?2.9m from an expanded Carrow Road and an extra ?1.55m on the catering and commercial fronts.
But that was, by and large, cancelled out by money heading in the opposite direction. As well as almost doubling their wage bill, the Canaries also forked out over ?5m to bring in new players, with the likes of Mattias Jonson, Youssef Safri and record signing Dean Ashton being snapped for sizeable fees. On top of that they had to splash out a further ?1.25m to keep up the instalments on previous transfers.
While investment in the playing staff was always going to be the top priority that wasn't the end of the story by any means, with City also setting aside cash for off-the-field improvements.
The club spent ?2.8m on the Norwich Union Community Stand, which now accommodates an extra 1685 fans, ?700,000 on a re-laid pitch, ?260,000 on new offices for the Football in the Community team and ?140,000 on improved facilities at Colney training ground.
There were those who assumed that the club's debts would just about be wiped off by promotion to the Premiership, but that certainly hasn't been the case. The Canaries still have ?14.1m to pay on their long-term securitization loan - which amounts to a 15-year mortgage - while other smaller scale borrowings mean that the level of debt has actually risen by ?400,000 since May 2004.
A debt of ?18.5m doesn't sound too healthy for a club who have just dropped out of the top-flight, but Doncaster insists everything is being carefully managed - and that there was no reason for fans to be concerned about the future of their club.
?It is certainly the case that the club's financial position is stable and our debts our manageable,? he said. ?But despite making a profit before taxation of ?9.2m our debt actually increased over the course of the Premiership year.
?In any other industry to be able to record such a profit on annual turnover that had increased by over 150 per cent would be cause for considerable celebration. But this is football. And while there is much within this set of financial statements to be proud of, the fact remains that the year covered in these reports saw Norwich City Football Club relegated from the Premiership.?
He added: ?There is a common misconception that promotion to the Premier League brings with it such untold riches that financial stability is virtually guaranteed for many years to come, that the club's debt will have been virtually wiped out by last season's influx of Sky money. Such notions are a very long way from the truth.
?Any view that the club is awash with cash is wholly misplaced. But enormous strides have been made in recent years to build new sources of revenue - income that relies on the enormous power of the club's brand and on the unparalleled loyalty of our marvellous supporters. Norwich City Football is well placed to succeed in the future.?
A return to the top-flight would clearly give City's finances another timely boost - but for the time being a parachute payment of ?6m has softened the blow of relegation and the latest accounts have been greeted with cautious optimism by various key figures at Carrow Road.
?Promotion to the Premiership was not a financial panacea,? said chairman Roger Munby. ?But our year in football's top flight did stabilise the club's financial position and enable substantial investment in a number of important areas. If promotion had not been achieved in 2004 the club would undoubtedly have been forced to make player sales that summer. Promotion, despite our subsequent relegation, has put the club in a situation where no players need to be sold for financial reasons during the 2005-6 season.?
Director of finance and operations Shaun O'Hara added: ?Relegation to the Championship has, without doubt, had a major impact on the finanancial position of the football club. However the impact will be lessened by the re-structuring of the club's finances two years ago, the expected ?6m of parachute money from the Premier League for each of the next two years, excellent season ticket and casual gate sales and continued growth in merchandising, catering and sponsorship income.?
Posted By: Old Git on January 19th 2011 at 10:03:46
Message Thread
- The mysteries of football money (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:03:46
- this thread is making me angry, DOOMCASTER. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:24:31
- It's impossible to read that piece again without getting a little bit angry (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:27:23
- He was on the telly the other night talking about some Jock footy shit (NCFC) - CB41, Jan 19, 10:35:57
- well OG I can still get angry, this was the beginning of my angst that just growed over (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:33:21
- I see it differently now anyway (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:29:25
- If MaccyN has put a figure of ?90m on total promotonal value (NCFC) - harry boulders, Jan 19, 10:50:49
- agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:31:37
- It's like, I didn't go with the loans cost us shit loads of money line they went on either (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:37:53
- when do the league publish the declared league table of agents' fees clubs have paid? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 19, 10:50:14
- That's kind of been my point for years (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:58:41
- not on his own he isn't (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 19, 11:13:46
- That's kind of been my point for years (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:58:41
- when do the league publish the declared league table of agents' fees clubs have paid? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 19, 10:50:14
- It's like, I didn't go with the loans cost us shit loads of money line they went on either (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:37:53
- It's impossible to read that piece again without getting a little bit angry (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:27:23
- It's why I like the young hungry player comment, all we done when we got in the Prem (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:21:02
- Young and hungry (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:27:12
- You have to have a sprinking of experience I am sure Wilbraham is just (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:35:09
- Old and sated (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:27:40
- For me, we only spent 5m on transfer fees, and even then the 3m for Ashton, was implied (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:24:33
- Exactly - we didn't seem to spend any of it (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:28:56
- they siphoned it off for drugs and hookers innit (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:31:48
- One of those times you look back on and think (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:30:05
- the players and their agents (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 19, 10:40:29
- Or (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:31:03
- Can imagine it happens everywhere. I remember Harrogate Railway getting an fa cup tie on (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:45:15
- have they? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:49:52
- probably (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:59:37
- says founded 1935 and still going (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 11:00:10
- probably (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 11:11:27
- It currently plays in the Northern Premier League Division One North. (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 19, 11:29:36
- probably (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 11:52:07
- did it ever go out of business as per the earlier post? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 11:32:18
- probably (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 11:52:24
- Doesn't appear so, but of course they could have forgotten it on Wiki (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 19, 11:34:16
- probably (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 11:52:37
- There were arguments about bonus payments after the FA Cup run, but that's all I see (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 19, 11:37:41
- It currently plays in the Northern Premier League Division One North. (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 19, 11:29:36
- probably (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 11:11:27
- says founded 1935 and still going (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 11:00:10
- probably (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:59:37
- have they? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:49:52
- Can imagine it happens everywhere. I remember Harrogate Railway getting an fa cup tie on (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:45:15
- Exactly - we didn't seem to spend any of it (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:28:56
- Young and hungry (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:27:12
- isn't there an increase in parachute payments now? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:09:09
- Oh yes, you need to adjust for inflation (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:12:40
- it's 4 years instead of 2 i think (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:18:27
- about 30m more (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Jan 19, 10:32:55
- which is more than inflation (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:36:38
- It's not more than football inflation (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:38:05
- in your opinion (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:39:04
- Thank you for your comment (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:40:29
- in your opinion (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:39:04
- It's not more than football inflation (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:38:05
- which is more than inflation (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:36:38
- about 30m more (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Jan 19, 10:32:55
- it's 4 years instead of 2 i think (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:18:27
- Oh yes, you need to adjust for inflation (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:12:40
- I kind of ignored that ?90m comment for the same reason (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:08:19
- Maybe I'm a bit cynical, and I do think that McNasty is far, FAR more competent than Doomy (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:15:47
- If it was as simple as suggested (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:21:19
- When we went up I wanted us to buy, Ashton, Huddlestone, Dawson, Reid (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:23:42
- when we went up i too wanted us to buy players like Ashton (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 19, 10:45:29
- When we went up I wanted us to buy, Ashton, Huddlestone, Dawson, Reid (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:23:42
- because Dooncaster saw ? signs for Hotels & all sorts of other things but (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:18:48
- need to somehow do what Blackpool are doing (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:17:22
- Do you wake up in the morning and think "Ooo, today feels like a jamesward day"? (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:20:21
- I clicked on the wrong name (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:21:31
- Leave where? (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:24:44
- This place I work (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:27:53
- You didn't mention that the other day? (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 19, 10:31:00
- Somewhere else... (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:45:52
- He's been headhunted by an Anger Management Consultant (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:31:26
- You didn't mention that the other day? (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 19, 10:31:00
- This place I work (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:27:53
- oh that's a shame (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 19, 10:23:34
- Leave where? (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:24:44
- I clicked on the wrong name (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 19, 10:21:31
- Do you wake up in the morning and think "Ooo, today feels like a jamesward day"? (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:20:21
- If it was as simple as suggested (NCFC) - pants, Jan 19, 10:21:19
- Maybe I'm a bit cynical, and I do think that McNasty is far, FAR more competent than Doomy (NCFC) - Old Git, Jan 19, 10:15:47
- Its simple really (NCFC) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jan 19, 10:07:36
- this thread is making me angry, DOOMCASTER. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 19, 10:24:31
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