Correct however....
Views on suicide have varied widely, both historically and culturally. Certain Asian societies not only haven't condemned suicide but have sometimes expected or even rewarded it--Japan is the obvious example, with its tradition of hara-kiri, but by no means the only one. Consider the Indian practice of suttee--before the British outlawed it in 1829, an average of 500 widows immolated themselves in their husbands' funeral pyres each year, and were often regarded as nearly divine for doing so.
The ancient Greeks and Romans tended to take a practical view of suicide. Most philosophers accepted that there were circumstances in which it was honorable--for example, to save the lives of others, or as a protest against tyranny. Judaism traditionally forbids self-destruction, but nonetheless many Jews continue to mythologize the mass suicide at Masada, where 960 are believed to have killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. Early Christians were even more ambivalent about suicide, as you might expect from followers of a religion founded on martyrdom. Virgins who preferred suicide to dishonor were also celebrated, and at least one, Saint Pelagia, was canonized. Islam alone among these three faiths has a clear scriptural ban on suicide, but as recent events have made plain, that hasn't prevented certain zealots from arriving at permissive interpretations thereof.
The Christian opposition to suicide hardened starting with fifth-century theologian Augustine of Hippo, who argued that offing yourself is never justifiable because it violates God's injunction "thou shalt not kill." Suicides were deemed to have committed a mortal sin and denied Christian burial. Church law influenced civil law, and by the tenth century suicide in England was considered not just a crime but a felony. English common law distinguished a suicide, who was by definition of unsound mind, from a felo-de-se or "evildoer against himself," who had coolly decided to end it all and thereby perpetrated an infamous crime. Such a person forfeited his entire estate to the crown. Furthermore his corpse was subjected to public indignities, such as being dragged through the streets and hung from the gallows, and was finally consigned to "ignominious burial," as the legal scholars put it--the favored method was beneath a crossroads with a stake driven through the body. Other European states established similar laws, apparently hoping they would serve as deterrents. As time went on the punishments lessened. By the 17th century an English suicide forfeited only personal property; his heirs could still get his real estate. But the basic notion of suicide as a crime wasn't swept away in France till the revolution, and in England it took even longer: ignominious burial wasn't abolished until 1823 nor property forfeiture till 1870, and the deed itself remained a crime (albeit only a misdemeanor, and a rarely prosecuted one at that) until 1961. In many jurisdictions you can still be prosecuted for helping someone kill himself, and assisted suicide remains a hotly debated topic not just in the UK but in much of the world.
Posted By: Tomblander on September 15th 2005 at 15:45:56
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- reading more of these 'or' threads or committing suicide? (n/m) (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:33:50
- Another first half like the one against Watford (General Chat) - Ashton4England, Sep 15, 15:45:16
- Comitting suicide is against the law and you should not be condoning it in public (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:36:46
- suicide is not against the law (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 15, 15:42:12
- are you still banned from being buried in a churchyard? (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:46:14
- feck knows (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 15, 15:48:15
- but they won't be able to ask you at the appropriate moment (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:48:57
- lol (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 15, 15:54:48
- with perhaps a creaking sound like a lid raising... (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:58:10
- lol (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 15, 15:54:48
- but they won't be able to ask you at the appropriate moment (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:48:57
- feck knows (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 15, 15:48:15
- Correct however.... (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:45:56
- too many words (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 15, 15:48:09
- Actually (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:54:44
- but you didn't cos everyone likes me so much on here and you feared the backlash? (General Chat) - pants, Sep 15, 16:02:01
- I certainly fear your backlash (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 16:03:08
- but if I put (General Chat) - pants, Sep 15, 16:05:04
- I certainly fear your backlash (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 16:03:08
- but you didn't cos everyone likes me so much on here and you feared the backlash? (General Chat) - pants, Sep 15, 16:02:01
- Actually (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:54:44
- too many words (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 15, 15:48:09
- are you still banned from being buried in a churchyard? (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:46:14
- more of these ''or' threads or self harming... (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:38:18
- I think they're quite kitsch, like malky's menus (n/m) (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:39:56
- good point...but if there were a mass suicide malky would have more ingredients (n/m) (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:41:19
- That guys larder is brimfull of surpises already (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:46:53
- oh dear...I understood the donation had already been made (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:48:22
- Good news although I hear that Alphabeti Spaghetti is still banned because it (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:56:26
- oh dear...I understood the donation had already been made (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:48:22
- That guys larder is brimfull of surpises already (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:46:53
- good point...but if there were a mass suicide malky would have more ingredients (n/m) (General Chat) - camcan, Sep 15, 15:41:19
- I think they're quite kitsch, like malky's menus (n/m) (General Chat) - Tomblander, Sep 15, 15:39:56
- suicide is not against the law (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 15, 15:42:12
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