This is kind of my overall point to this

many conclude instantly that I'm just defending Moat and being an idiot

Unpeel the layers, and you'll see just how this will happen for you if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time (Like Colin Stagg, to use a recent inquiry that's ended. Funny how they're always settled years after when people have retired or died)

Posted By: pants on July 13th 2010 at 17:40:43

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manchester city going to spend plenty more this window... (NCFC) - loz, Jul 13, 15:48:01
- I've heard they wanted Raoul Moat (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Jul 13, 15:53:06
  - He's got a cracking shot on him. (NCFC) - tudders, Jul 13, 15:57:28
    - Just when the police couldn't get any lower than attacking vulnerable people laid on the (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:06:03
      - were you there? (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 13, 16:28:15
        
        My wrath's gone bent-up again (n/m) (NCFC) - Tron, Jul 13, 16:54:05
        
        My wrath's gone bent-up again (n/m) (NCFC) - Tron, Jul 13, 16:53:38
        
        My wrath's gone bent-up again (n/m) (NCFC) - Tron, Jul 13, 16:52:51
      - But remember everyone... (NCFC) - Rofl_Harris, Jul 13, 16:20:42
      - he had killed one person, attempted to murder a woman and shot a cop in the face (NCFC) - no one, Jul 13, 16:15:02
        
        Unlike De Menezes who deserved 7 bullets for co operating (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:25:18
        
        Completely unrelated of course. (n/m) (NCFC) - tudders, Jul 13, 16:26:06
        
        Except in both instances a crime has been committed (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:32:40
        
        Correct. But in this case it was Moat who had commited the crime. (NCFC) - tudders, Jul 13, 18:21:03
        
        Yeah I get that (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:17:24
        
        forces a joke (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 13, 16:35:52
        
        an eye for eye leaves both men blind (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:39:57
        
        I think there's a lesson there for us all. (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 13, 16:52:21
        
        Or if someone decides to leave their house one day to get the tube (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:55:02
        
        Indeed. Best for everyone just stay at home (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 13, 17:01:18
        
        But when the system fails on a regular basis, as it has done here (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:08:16
        
        you might be a bit young to remember this one pants (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 17:17:51
        
        I remember that one (NCFC) - Monty Peculiar, Jul 13, 17:51:33
        
        yeah, they clearly wanted the bloke dead. I think the man they confused Waldorf with had (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 17:58:32
        
        This is what I don't understand. If someone rang you now and said (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:13:00
        
        walk into a police station and give yourself up (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jul 13, 19:54:58
        
        yo go to the Sun and get them to persuade everyone you're not dangerous (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 18:17:15
        
        ha ha, I suppose if it did happen, (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:19:30
        
        Just put it on Facebook, much easier. (n/m) (NCFC) - tudders, Jul 13, 18:19:22
        
        or wrath, we'd help you out (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 18:30:35
        
        I don't remember that. I do remember this innocent lad being shot though (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:25:19
        
        that's very fucking out of order by that account (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 17:32:01
        
        You must have got a great view of it all unfolding (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 13, 17:10:32
        
        ha ha (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:19:53
        
        point is that it's a bit hard to opine without know what really happened (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 17:21:58
        
        True, it's good to be cautious as well (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:31:22
        
        even when they're found to have acted improperly (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 17:36:39
        
        This is kind of my overall point to this (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:40:43
        
        I don't really have any idea what happpened with moat, but it doesn't yet seem (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 13, 17:46:27
        
        *they're not* (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:31:50
        
        You don't know, pants. You might be right, but you don't know what happened. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 13, 16:35:08
        
        Did they let his family talk to him? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tron, Jul 13, 16:38:00
        
        but you don't know a crime was committed, do you? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 13, 16:43:30
        
        I wasn't (n/m) (NCFC) - Tron, Jul 13, 16:45:37
        
        I don't know (n/m) (NCFC) - Tron, Jul 13, 16:42:50
        
        did they let Gazza talk to him? (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 13, 16:39:13
        
        I don't know (NCFC) - Tron, Jul 13, 16:45:08
        
        Did they listen to the prison officer before they let him out (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:43:56
        
        did the prison officers play it too safe with their risk assessments of prisoners as a who (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 13, 16:55:14
        
        Man with shotgun slightly less vulnerable than man without, I'd have thought. (n/m) (NCFC) - tudders, Jul 13, 16:17:59
      - What actually is your point with this, other than being contrary? (NCFC) - tudders, Jul 13, 16:14:43
        
        Waited for him to give up (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:23:15
        
        Eeerrr....he killed himself, or maybe, (NCFC) - tudders, Jul 13, 16:25:09
        
        talked things through over a can of lager and some chicken (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 13, 16:17:31
      - Oh well. Suppose it saved the tax-payer one bullet. (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jul 13, 16:14:41
        
        Except the public enquiry will probably cost a fortune (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:52:43
        
        And saved Gazza a can of lager, KFC, fishing rod and a dressing gown. (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jul 13, 16:15:31

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