No, but to be a fully fledged 'success' I think you need to win a major tournament in your

sport. Murray will win one and in years to come will be considered a success, whereas Henman didn't so in the future people will just think 'yeah he did quite well but never won'.

Just my opinion though.

Posted By: lmc on June 24th 2010 at 13:16:23

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Why does Henman get to sit with the champions? (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:00:55
- he's on the wimbledon committee (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:01:31
  - Why? (Other Sports) - CB41, Jun 24, 13:03:03
    - Not exactly "shit"... (Other Sports) - Steve in Holland, Jun 24, 13:04:17
      - I was being sarcastic - very, very good footballers are routinely (Other Sports) - CB41, Jun 24, 13:09:56
      - a very good player imo (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:05:56
    - no actually (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:04:04
      - Who (Other Sports) - CB41, Jun 24, 13:10:23
      - And was in the top 10 world rankings for years, and top 5 for a bit (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:07:44
        
        He reached 4 actually. (n/m) (Other Sports) - mike_the_sphinx, Jun 24, 13:16:24
        
        Which would appear to be within the top 5 (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:28:40
        
        Not only does it appear to, it is actually. (Other Sports) - mike_the_sphinx, Jun 24, 13:36:50
        
        I'll take that! (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:38:47
        
        greatest achievement imo was making the semis of the french (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:12:17
        
        That really annoyed me (Other Sports) - Huge Small, Jun 24, 13:24:25
        
        i didn't see a lot of that tbh (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:25:44
        
        For me he should have won Wimbledon when he lost to that Croat bloke who won (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:13:35
        
        yeah a pity no roof in those days (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:14:36
  - Aha, I thought success had been downgraded to making the semis (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:02:47
    - that is success for british tennis (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:05:06
      - We've not been good but I'm not sure we should recognise a level as being successful when (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:08:07
        
        you are telling me it's failure to be the top 10 (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:13:50
        
        No, but to be a fully fledged 'success' I think you need to win a major tournament in your (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:16:23
        
        henman won the paris masters and loads of other titles (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:19:26
        
        He never won one of the big four though (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:22:18
        
        who was getting carried away? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:24:36
        
        No I didn't (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:27:12
        
        shouldn't be rewarded how?! (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:29:25
        
        If Murray doesn't win a major then he shouldn't recieve anything higher than an MBE (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:31:14
        
        i'm sure he's really bothered about that! (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:32:57
        
        I've not said he's bothered about it, it just seems like some people would rush to give (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:34:58
        
        yeah was epic (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:35:32
        
        Frank Bruno got one for being shit. (n/m) (Other Sports) - tudders, Jun 24, 13:32:47
        
        wasn't he world champion? (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:33:31
        
        I'm not sure that we should treat top 5 ranked players the same as players ranked 2,547th (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:09:33
        
        Agreed, but the objective is to have players winning major tournaments (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:11:11
        
        no it isn't! (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:16:17
        
        I'm not saying that we should have 3 or 4 players capable of winning major tournaments (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:18:51
        
        in the last 5 years only 4 players have won a slam (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:21:47
        
        That's not what I'm saying if you care to read my posts (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:24:10
        
        you've said a lot of shit (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:27:41
        
        Calm down soft lad (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:29:50
        
        No, I've voiced my opinion which you happen to have disagreed with (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:29:44
        
        just informing you you're talking shit (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:31:50
        
        Except he's not... (Other Sports) - Fierce Panda, Jun 24, 13:37:36
        
        not at all (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:41:18
        
        Sprinkling the odd "lol" in doesn't hide the fact that you're seething (n/m) (Other Sports) - Fierce Panda, Jun 24, 13:42:48
        
        yes i'm the one going on and on and on (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:45:51
        
        *grunt* *bang* *serve* *ace* (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:48:21
        
        Which does not mean that you treat regular semi-finalists as if they had never got beyond (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:14:11
        
        and losing to federer, sampras and hewitt (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:17:11
        
        I'm not saying group them all together as failures (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:20:46
        
        you talk shit (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:22:16
        
        It's just an opinion, sorry that we have differing views on success (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:23:21
        
        which is probably why we don't win enough in sport (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:26:45
        
        Not at all, I just believe in fair recognition and reward (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:28:32
        
        what reward? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:30:17
        
        MBE's, courts named after them etc (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:32:20
        
        MBEs get dished out to people who've achieved far, far less than Henman (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jun 24, 13:39:51
    - Yebut that is success for "plucky Brits" (n/m) (Other Sports) - CB41, Jun 24, 13:03:55
      - I guess, on that basis Murray will be knighted by the time he's 30 (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:05:19
        
        no (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:07:01
        
        Not yet, when he wins a big one (which he will) yes but not yet (n/m) (Other Sports) - lmc, Jun 24, 13:08:50
        
        no definite he'll win a slam (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jun 24, 13:23:43

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